Dunno, GW has been a lot more likeable after that Roundtree guy took over for Kirby early last year. 40k has starter sets that actually save money. Boxed sets came out that save even more money (Betrayal at Calth). They're back on Facebook. The Genestealer Cult is back. And I've heard good things about the guy in charge of the SG branch (Cottrell?).

IP protection lasts forever these days, so I don't buy that reason. I think it's more about the explosion in tabletop skirmish and sports games - they're getting new players hooked on non-GW minis. And old SG players.

The scale change is something to be cynical about, but not the relaunches in themselves. Mostly I'm scared of how expensive an 8mm Warlord Titan will be.

On the other hand, if you look at posts by people who never played Epic, pretty much all of them wanted the new game to be in a larger scale. And I wouldn't trust us existing players to buy into a new edition after what happened the last two times, would you? We're like another group of consumers I consider myself part of, American drivers clamoring for a stickshift station wagon. We're loud on the interwebs, so Mazda listened in 2002 and nobody bought it. They haven't tried again.

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Yup. Said it many times over the years.

I would have been surprised IF it was released in 6mm.

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I know Baccus and Adler are about 7 to 8mm these days. I haven't seen a lot of the more recent 6mm from DRM etc have these scale creeper or are they 'real' 6mm?

I guess what I am asking will the new GW stuff be what everyone accepts as 6mm these days or will their 8mm be really 10mm

Good question Fenton, I think that is what everyone else is thinking quietly also. I personally think it be more like 10mm just for the 40k kids who like the 28mm range will not be scared of the scale. That said only if they plan infantry imo. If it is 8mm then i will happily buy the used scenery when it appears on ebay when some of the bits get sold on

Historically, GW Epic 'scale' has always been very "flexible", especially with regard to vehicles, quite apart from the different sizes of various incarnations of infantry.

Is there anything to suggest any changes to this 'policy'?

The 8mm scale probably isn't going to be all that bad. Lots of us already use 10mm DZ buildings, so the terrain shouldn't be too far out of whack. As for the titans, it will be interesting to see how they scale up against the Vapor/ForumWare models.

As for flexible scale, put a FW Thunderer against a SG EA Leman Russ, and you'll see just how much the scale could vary

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Iirc, the scale has never been officially confirmed by Forgeworld * - all that has been said is they planned to make titans scale so a marine (if they ever produce any) will be about 8mm so that armour types can be identified. As less cynical people of pointed out, this may mean they are doing marines true scale 8 foot tall (as most forum ware already has) and the old 7mm guardsmen will look fine along side them.

But hey GW kicked my cat/ stole my lunch so lets automatically believe they are out to get us eh? Im sure all their models will be made to self destruct in 12 months and they will be producing D7 dice just for giggles.

* The one prototype which has actually been seen - the warlord shown at last years own day - was described as "6mm like the old epic scale" to anyone who asked.


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If what you want to contribute to a thread is bashing others point of view with snide personal comments then do everyone a favour and just avoid the thread altogether.

Fair points. I do wonder how much they had decided back then. That prototype looked a little top heavy to me - I wonder how well they rescale given they didn't do a straight copy anyway.

And the detail on some 6mm figures was already pretty good. I remember marvelling at the teeth on chainswords and trigger fingers on imperial guard laspistols....

Vehicles are another area that people are always complaining that the old GW epic figs were too small (comically so in some cases).

Really, the change in scale is only an issue if they ever actually get around to Making infantry figs of regular humans and humanoid sized aliens. Everything else being scaled up should look just fine next to 6mm infantry.

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I saw this on a blog today that seems to always have new of SG..Not sure how much is confirmed

The Warlord and Questoris Knight are done, Reaver is currently sculpted, the large Knight was already 3D printed and he looks huge (larger than a terminator). Cerastus Knights will be done after the Reaver is finished.
- The Warlord is sized between the 28mm Questoris Knight and Leviathan. Actually, it's pretty much Thanatar sized, and also has the same amount of parts.
- The "starter box" will contain the rules, plastic scenary, plastic markers, special dice. No models in it - but there will be bundles on the FW site.
- they will do all the models in resin - maybe, maaaybe one day if it sells very well they can get green light for a full plastic starter box. But not any time soon.
- They will do the old EPIC slaaneshi titans/knights - but loyalist versions of them. The subjugator is a "lighter class" titan now, the smaller ones will still be knights afaik. They will get done in 8mm scale first, and later (hopefully) for 30k too.
- Stuff that already had CAD files can be scaled down, but the other way isn't that easy. So don't expect 8mm stuff beeing released in 28mm soon afterwords, as you can't just upscale it.
- The game itself will be very tactical. It's based around a maniple of 5 titans and knights support. You will have large cards for each of your titans, and marker for void shields, damage, energy etc.
- There will be 3 modes to play similiar to AoS - open play where you can test the waters, matched play with points etc, and narrative mode based on scenarios.
- Machine Spirit traits are in and important.
- Legion traits will be in. *Maybe* we will even get teleporting Warp Runners
- You can do an all Warhound army and play against lets say 5 Warlords - the site with the smaller titans will get battle traits to make these games fair.
- The first Black Book will be based upon the "Titansdeath". It's a huuuuge conflict whichs outcame enabled Horus to strike at Terra. Legio Mortis, Firebrands, Warp Runners, Maybe Legio Tempestus and a intro chapter about the first battle for Mars.
- More black books are planned - similiar to the "normal" HH series, but with AT rules and specific to these really large battles.
- ETA is roughly "first half of 2017".

Im sorry DK if you have taken anything i have said personally. That was not the intention. Im also sorry for singling your post out for my reply.

However i am sick of the unrelenting negativity present on this thread (from many people) which is derailing it from actually discussing the subject, to just being a game of bash GW. It reads at times like the comments section over at BOLS. Taccoms used to be better than that, which was the main reason i got involved here.

So im afraid I am not sorry for parodying that attitude with some humour, nor presenting some actually reasoned arguments for not hating on everything GW does.

To be honest im not sure why so many people who obviously have no love for GW and against ever giving them a chance to correct the problems of the past, bother to read and post so prolifically on a thread about those potential new products? But there you go.


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Here's what's rubbing me in particular - AT presented at 6mm would do just as well as their 8mm plan financially while sending us old guys over the moon with happiness. Instead they chose this path.

It's that bait-and-switch effect that antagonizes me so much.

P.S. Sorry Blip, seems like I'm a stuck record.

So the latest rumour says plastic terrain but no plastic figures. That just doesn't sit right with me. Possible? Sure. Are they doing lots of new things? Definitely. But a box set with rules and scenery screams 'use your old figures' - which is exactly what they don't want to encourage. I can't imagine the strategy meeting where they sign of on a plastic scenery sprue but not any figures.

And I hope I'm right. Still have far less interest in resin titans than plastic. From a cost perspective as much as anything else. Its already a 'minority interest' game compared to 40k etc. I can't imagine getting my non epic friends to start with an entry cost of say £200+. A £100 box with online discount and a viable starting force, maybe.

The only way this seems plausible is as a business model for say Necromunda where the upgrade costs are lower.

We'll have to see....