Hi!

I do not think you will be proven wrong.

I am a big believer in "look at what I do" not what "I say".

GW has being "doing" these kind of things for a long time now. The scale choice is totally deliberate as in no one does "8mm". Much like "aelfs" and "Orruks". Everything now is trying to control trademarks and not competing with others.

6mm epic is a bad memory for them. This wish to erase it.

Good luck with that GW.

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Totally agree Primarch

Like I said on the other thread, Look at this from the GW perspective for a second.

They are in the business of selling figures and the collective groan here suggests that they have pitched the scale just about right; small enough to allow both Titans and other figures (which 40k does not readily permit), large enough to prevent easy assimilation of old GW figures and more importantly 6mm figures from other manufacturers, and just possibly the 'right' size to entice the current GW fans to buy complete new armies with sufficient detail, poseability etc to benefit from newer casting techniques and materials. And it is a 'new' scale that others do not specifically support (though 'scale' is always a moot point).

Seems to the uninformed (me) to be quite a canny move for 'army' scale battles, even if it is not 'true scale', leaving the 25mm scale for 40K skirmishes. And if it comes off, it might just possibly morph into a full blown replacement for 40k as well as Epic. A big investment over time certainly, but one that could encourage a significant investment from fans, other than the few diehard Epic individuals scattered across the globe.

Now if only we could exert some influence over the rules (by helping design and / or Beta test), I suggest that it could just possibly become a really good game. However, I also accept that is rather less likely than winning the lottery, twice, on successive weeks, not least because of GW's past form

Sending a letter to GW gets my vote, because I don't think it would harm us.
If they develop a good ruleset with an appropriate meta, this would encourage players to develop the races and armies that they prefer, which in turn would fuel the demand for figures etc. that GW require. And working with a select number of individuals from communities across the GW spectrum could easily be managed providing they are properly directed and time-boxed.

Is this likely? Probably not.
Do we care? Again, probably not.
Would individuals help out if GW asked . . . .?

Hi!

Personally, the last time I was "eager" to help GW if asked was the roll out of EA.

Given that they pulled the plug on that endeavor basically 10 months after ushering it in(the infamous "re-organization" which amounted to nothing more than pulling all meaningful support for the game), my stance would be, "why bother".

If you throw a starving man a bone, he'll usually greet it with happiness. Unless it strikes him in the head and kills him.

That is what epic fandom sometimes reminds me of. We have nothing but are own interest driving this bobby. So when GW says anything even remotely related with a possible "epic resurgence" you get a lot of optimism. Until you remember exactly whom is doing the "promising".

I for one am tired of being hit by the "thrown bone" of "something" for epic from GW.

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We're sadly deluded if we really even thing we're factoring into any of the decision making going on at FW from a sales perspective. If every epic player bought 2 of every set and that's all the sales made: IT'S A COLOSSAL FAIL. The reason why 6v8 or work with the community on rules is not even on their radar is 1. This game isn't targeting us to begin with and 2, we're statistically irrelevant to the intended sales channel. And of course to reiterate, it's NOT epic v5 anyways; They're trying to make a new game/community (though if history repeats itself and it proves popular it could easily follow to progression that epic did range-wise).

Sorry it's not a poke in the eye for the very simple fact that we really are not on their radar to begin with. Remember that scene in Jumping Jack Flash where Whoopi sees the gallant good looking dapper spy at the restaurant and stands to meet him and he walks right past her? Yeah that's us.

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Will it get a sub-forum on Taccomm?

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Been digging around in the aforementioned BoLS articles on this reading comments trying to get a pulse on things. In general the posters are more on the 40k gamers ( though it seems a fair number knew if and even played some form of epic/at at some point ). One post was, excuse the term, gloriously epic that I must repeat here:




Xenocidal Maniac and I are chatting about this topic right now and are starting to come around to the concept that FW is tapping into the zeitgeist where there's growing burnout and dissatisfaction in the 40k scene and something"new" like this is ripe for adoption. This may prove to be a very shrewd release.

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If it turns out to be very different from Epic, I'd actually be pretty happy. EA will remain the army level game of choice, and we get a fun Necromunda-style game in which you have a scrappy team of titans gaining experience and refits between battles. Lose an arm? No fourth weapon until you can afford a new one. Gargant refits would be like going to the doctor in Gorkamorka, with a chance of something going horribly wrong. (That was my favorite GW game ever, but I played in Spanish so I don't know what the "doctor" is called in English with an Orky accent.)

Hi!

I guess that means he's excited.

LOL!

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Well I'm really bummed that it's not going to be 6mm
anymore but I'm willing to suspend judgement - maybe
some of the new minis will be compatible when/if they
come out. I don't want to have to re invent the wheel
in the new scale though.

One issue with the new scale is that all the existing
Buildings will look too small - next to infantry and tanks
anyway.

But one up side is that this new scale, is 1:220 which is
z scale for model railways. This scale always looked too
big next to 6mm guys, but is perfect for 8mm.

So there is a massive range of buildings in that
scale - albeit 20th century buildings, not much grim dark
gothic stuff. There are plenty of industrial type warehouse
buildings that could be useful though. Model railway stuff
is not super cheap, but it could lead to a greater variety in
battlefields.

The real trick is, what do they mean by 8mm?

Do they mean actual measurement, which means the new infantry will be about the size of the most recent chaos marines? That would be fine, and we'd have some cool new vehicles for those who want them.

Or do they mean 8mm like they used to mean 6mm with the most recent releases, which means they actually will be about the size of Warmaster miniatures? In that case I'd be not so interested. (Though again, maybe some of the vehicles would be useful.)

The fact that it is coming from Forgeworld and that they made three test sizes for comparison purposes leavs me hopeful that it might actually be a real 8mm. (why make up three false scales for your test purposes?)

Or maybe my Highland Marines (which I am not going to redo) will be renamed the Nu Sontaran Marines.

I'm excited about a rule set that maybe puts a 2nd edition level of detail back into titans

I'm not so excited about armor markings cas onto the infantry. I'd rather paint the markings that I want. It seems rather inconveniant and overly expensive to have to track down and buy lots of specific infantry stands with the proper markings to.........

<*realization*>

Oh, right.

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On the other hand, we don't even know if/when FW will be doing infantry models. The bigger Titans might fit nicely with other proxies (like those FW copies) scalewise since the old models were rather small.

Also keep in mind that many 6mm ranges were already kinda upscaling their infantry, which were closer to 7-8mm than to 6.

Perhaps we should wait a bit before we panic?

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Hi!

Panic would mean that some of us are invested in the outcome of all this (I am not of course).

Curiosity is more the word for now.

As in I am curious whether they will behave as they always do (over-hyped poorly supported SG level games), or have they actually LEARNED something from previous errors and release something worthwhile.

At some point you have to actually DO want you said you would to gain credibility. As always it is up to GW to prove everyone wrong.

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I wonder if it will be just Beetleback Warlords, or if they'll have the epic 40k style Warlords as well.