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Orders Militant Adepta Sororitas V1.0

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:42 pm 
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Stopped in to grab PDFs to plan some Sisters units and I have two 'problems' -

1) With three inquisitors (potentially) running about, this list should be effectively renamed as an Ordos list, and NOT a Sororitas list. It just feels like way too much for a Sisters list and they should be reduced to 0-1. An inquisitorial list, with guard, sisters and all those other lovely toys would be great, but not here, the whole list is just too busy and we does not like it precious.

2) Why split the issuance of a list into two PDFs? It's a needless inconvenience. Constant cross-reference between two files just annoys me when trying to read it on a tablet. Glue them together, please?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:01 pm 
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Hmm... the Inquisitor option are 0-1.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:37 pm 
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mordoten wrote:
Hmm... the Inquisitor option are 0-1.


I checked the 1.2 updated and 1.3 versions, both have them listed as 0-3 core.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:51 pm 
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I quite liked the idea of Inquisitor Retinue, all Storm Troopers and 8 Las Razorbacks. 16 models, 400pts. Gives decent ranged firepower and prepping ability on a formation that keeps up with the main thrust of the sisters.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:45 pm 
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Doomkitten wrote:
mordoten wrote:
Hmm... the Inquisitor option are 0-1.


I checked the 1.2 updated and 1.3 versions, both have them listed as 0-3 core.


Oh, sorry, thought the list in the OP was the most recent one. But i agree with you, should be 0-1.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:01 pm 
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Yeah originally had them as a max of one, seemed a bit restricted. The list still needs testing, would you take a formation of retinue with 8 las-razorback? For 400 points that would make it my BTS in most lists I would take and having two or even three would greatly reduce other options I would normally take (but it's a thought).
About the two pdfs I find it easier to flick between the two but each to their own (I can post one list all in one if you wish)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:02 pm 
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The pdf thing is really because I find it much easier to just read one document on a tablet. Or I'm just used to it being that way. Not a big thing, obviously, but a preference.

For the Iquisitors, I think by their very nature their inclusion should be restricted. They doesn't strike me as the sort of people who'll get together in great numbers, all bringing their own personal retinues to a fight unless the fight was truly apocalyptic. One per 3000 gives something closer to that feel, but as the feel of lists is really for organised play, and larger battles tend to fall outside of that, I'd be very much happier to have them limited to 0-1. I envision them as having a very specific battlefield "task" that's entirely secondary to there being a battle going on.

I know that there's always "don't take them", but given the enormous flexibility the formation has, and the unique roles that only this formation can perform - I don't see people taking the list in a tournament setting as avoiding the Inquisitor formation. That's counter to the idea of a "Sisters" list, it's more akin to the old Ordo Hereticus list.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:15 pm 
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Honestly taking 400pts of razorback mounted inquisitors is more of a silly fun thing to do than something 'serious' but it would be fairly resilient as a BTS. The firepower it provides is also less than that provided by taking Exorcists.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:54 am 
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400pts for a BTS is reasonable. If you don't have a Cathedral! In a tournament army, it's a real option..


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:37 am 
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I know that there's always "don't take them", but given the enormous flexibility the formation has, and the unique roles that only this formation can perform - I don't see people taking the list in a tournament setting as avoiding the Inquisitor formation. That's counter to the idea of a "Sisters" list, it's more akin to the old Ordo Hereticus list.

I wanted the retinue in but to a limited capacity to represent that element. But your right that it would take away the overall theme of the sisters list just by being able to field them in significant amount.
I reckon their a bit too squishy for a BTS.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:25 am 
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I played a game of Minigeddon against Tau -as for training to the coming tournament in Hungary.

Sistas 1000p
1x Mission + 4x Rhino, 1x Retribution, 1x Seraphim, 1x Emperor's Chapel (single war engine for 200p) VS 2x 6 Firewarrior +3x Devilfish, 1x Recon (6 pirnha + 3 tetra?), 1x 6 Hammerhead with Railgun.

The game was very disappointing, since the immense Tau firepower, I didn't have a chance. I tried to field an all-rounder tournament army, but the lack of ranged weapons was more than a disadvantage. the game was a 2:1 for me, because of the inexperienced tau commander's moves, but it's not showing the real difference between the two armies.. I'm a bit confused about the performance of the ladies, and i think they are not fit for minigeddon games. Any ideas what to field?


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I've not played much minigeddon but the chapels are always going to struggle against fast moving skimmer armies especially one's that keep their distance.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:49 pm 
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True! But there are few units that can provide some fire support.. I think sistas are not for minigeddon :D


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:57 pm 
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Haven't played the Sisters for a while (last played the 1.1 I think) but in Minigeddon I'd take more missions and drown my foe in rhino mounted, fearless/invulnerable infantry and firefight+supporting fire them off the board.

3xMission, 1x Exorcism. First turn you get forward and try and dominate the middle of the board (place your objective as close to the middle as you can to try and draw your opponent to meet you) with three mutually supporting Missions, use the Exorcists last to place BMs on a suitable target, hopefully a few Heavy Bolter shots will BM something else. The Exorcists mostly looking to knock out enemy transports.

The Sisters aren't the only list lacking any meaningful long ranged firepower whilst also being pretty engagement heavy. Dark Eldar have this as a problem too, only their war engines have ranges >30cm and they are fairly expensive to get on the board.

They have hit and run to move into range, shoot to place BMs, then withdraw to safety...but this falls apart the moment something goes on overwatch (Chaos Chosen with autocannons are hugely annoying) as the DE vehicles are light vehicles so get hit and hurt pretty easily (4 ravagers for 225pts, longest range of 30cm, they move into range to prep target, get overwatched, one dies, 2BMs placed on the ravagers knocks them down to only one vehicle shooting after suppression, they will have doubled so 3 shots on 6s, at least it places the BM).


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3x Missions +rhino, 1x exorcist is 1045p, so not fit for minigeddon! Exorcist against hammerhead is a bad/weak choice, since the 90cm range of the guided missile.

Missions are tough units, but in a tournament, since u have to use the compedium list -since it's the "offocial one". So no HB for the missions. I have 2 list in my mind -one with full of redemptionists, for a higher activation number. The other with a lot of seraphims, for mobility..

The possible opponents are SM, SL, Baran, Nids, Tau, maybe Tank legion. Not happy with the long range firepower guys..


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