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Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS

 Post subject: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:39 am 
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After looking at how they have performed at tournaments and listening to feedback the Tyranid and Tau Codexes have now been updated

http://epic-uk.co.uk/wp/army-lists/

The Tau list now matches the current approved Tau NetEA list (6.8 I believe).
Also the Ulani, Skitarii and Vanaheim reference sheets have been updated with typos that have been reported.

These updates will be legal for all upcoming EUK events starting with Wrath of the Tyrant. Thanks to all the committee and testers who have helped with these updates.

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:18 am 
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is there any chance at all that the changes could be summarised? mostly the point changes so it makes it easy for me to get everything into armyforge....

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:29 pm 
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Nids look identical. File is labeled Version: 110929

Caching problem maybe?

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:12 pm 
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Try now, shortcut didn't get changed. Sorry about that!

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:05 am 
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Assault Swarm+25 pts, big +50
Brute Swarm -25pts, big -50
biovore -10pts (was 35 now 25)
Zoantrophe -15 pts (was 50, now 35)
Harrassment swarm -2 gargoyles +25pts
Lictor upgrades -15pts (was 50 now 35)

Did I miss something?

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:11 am 
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Bigger Lictor formations
Zoantrophe now Armoured Vehicle
Carnifex now Fearless
Bigger titans get more shots and Hierophant gets FF4+

Idea is to give more options and make the Assault Swarm slightly less desirable.

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:26 am 
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Only one you missed was trygon getting mw on its extra attack.

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:34 am 
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And the Tau? Any detail on changes there?

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:16 pm 
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It is the same as the NetEA 6.8 list:
http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/view ... 23&t=29531

Crisis formation includes free Shas'el
Shas'el no longer has an extra AP5+ shot
Shas'o upgrade reduced to 75
Bonded team is now a formation-wide ability (like spirit stones)
Ethereal death results in D3 BMs rather than auto-break
Krootox upgrade down from 75 to 50 points but FF down from 4+ to 5+
Broadsides railgun range reduced to 60cm
Broadsides reduced to 300 points
Railheads gain Lance on their AT shot
Railheads now cost 225 for 4 (other types still 200), Hammerhead formation structure changed to handle different prices
Ionhead upgrade now 2 for 75
Manta down to 650 points
Tigershark AX-1-0 down to 350 points
Custodian down to 225

Changes that didn't make approval so aren't in the list:
Re-roll teleport 1's for stealthsuits
Teleport for gun drones in stealth formation
AT6+ shot on crisis suits
AA boost for aircraft burst cannons
Extra seeker missiles on aircraft

(Edited as I hit submit too early!)

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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:20 pm 
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34%/32%/34% W/L/D for Epic UK nids. Not sure a nerf was necessary...
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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:05 pm 
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Hi Steve54,
"After looking at how they have performed at tournaments and listening to feedback the Tyranid and Tau Codexes have now been updated"

Would be able to explain a little bit of your concerns regarding nids performance and what the specific feedback was?
I think the price drops were warranted on the units. But I don't think the price increase was necessarily warranted.
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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:32 pm 
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carlos wrote:
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34%/32%/34% W/L/D for Epic UK nids. Not sure a nerf was necessary...
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Technically it´s only a nerf if you were planning to spam Assault and Harassment swarms and obviously no one would do that ;) .

Otherwise it´s mostly a number of minor buffs. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Epic UK Update - Tyranids, Tau, QRS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:35 pm 
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JimXII wrote:
Hi Steve54,
"After looking at how they have performed at tournaments and listening to feedback the Tyranid and Tau Codexes have now been updated"

Would be able to explain a little bit of your concerns regarding nids performance and what the specific feedback was?
I think the price drops were warranted on the units. But I don't think the price increase was necessarily warranted.
Cheers
Jim


Nids have generally been found to be a very balanced list and a great addition to the UK tournament scene. But there is a very specific build which spams Assault and Harassment swarms with some teleporters and stealers thrown in to disrupt enemy plans that has proven a little too good.

Basically the changes weaken this build while buffing other potential list styles.


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