Definitely an interesting may of doing things Squiggle.

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The chart I was talking about was the one in the main rule book P38.

My misunderstanding. It's the damage point system I've missed. I have to say that I think the damage works fine for Superheavies. After playing it a few times you remember the results you are rolling for.

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Cool. You want this thread, which started out talking about the Macharius:

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=159&t=28855

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Hi!

This would be a great thing to implement. I agree the to hit abstracts targeting so nothing further needs to be done.

More importantly I don't think the point formula changes by using this, since you didn't change an stats, just how hits are allocated.

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I like the idea of manipulating the table to increase or decrease odds of hitting certain location according to the hull type. That would simulate the vulnerability of the types well.

I'd still keep the reactor out of the front though for warlords, the new points formula makes titans expensive, so let them be worth the points.

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I thought of a way to make the existing system (using the Deviation dice) more realistic and would take a weapon's accuracy into account. Change the use of the Scatter Dice from being automatic to being conditional depending on how well the player rolls. More specifically, if you roll exactly the number needed for that weapon to hit (or one higher), you would roll both dice (U/D & L/R). If you roll two points higher, you may select one of the dice to not roll before the roll is made. If you roll four points higher, you do not roll for deviation.

In other words, any weapon that hits on 5+ or 6+ and hits a model with a Hit Location Chart will always roll both Deviation dice. Any Weapon that hits on 4+ might only need to roll one Deviation die if the player rolls a 6. A weapon with 3+ would roll only one Deviation die on a 5 or 6. A weapon with 2+ would only roll one Deviation die on a 4 or 5, and no Deviation dice at all on a 6.

This would allow for greater flexibility for the more accurate weapons to target Weapon, Wing, or other 'outer ring' locations with a greater odds of hitting the intended target location.
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That said, the ideas posed above by others do sound interesting. Especially the 2d6 chart by Mattman. That looks great. I agree with Primarch that it would not directly affect the Points Formula currently, though perhaps it should. As it is, I'm not entirely satisfied with the method currently in use for costing Hit Location values, so I will be looking into revising that at some point. Hmm, the odds of hitting a particular area could affect the cost. I'll have to stew on that for a while.

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I like the theory behind your idea Magnus but I think this would only disproportionately favour the Eldar. I can't think of other armies it would really benefit apart from the odd unit.

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Hi!

This is a very good idea. If the hit location are finally decided upon this would be a good thing to apply to it.

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Hi!

It is supposed to benefit some more than other Bissler. Eldar stats are better in that regard. Also remember to put it into the context of the newer points formula, which increase eldar element cost, in some case a large change to the standard values. The cost would be validated in such a system, the same way as lower IG and ork costs would be validated. In essence "you get what you pay for".

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I'd suggest basing the modifier on the THR rather than having the same value for each faction. So you get a modifier based on how many points below 5+ the THR was. For example:

THR = 6+ => no modifier
THR = 5+ => no modifier
THR = 4+ => 1
THR = 3+ => 2
THR = 2+ => 3

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Quite correct. Some armies have more accurate weapons than others do. [Primarch Magnus springs to mind, he'd really become a Titan killer...] Still, the initial interval could always be adjusted. For example, instead of the first Deviation die being lost at two points higher (needs 4+ and roll of 6) it could only require one higher (needs 4+ and rolls 5 or 6). I'd still recommend having an interval of two points to lose the second Deviation die.

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I like this option. I haven't checked the table in detail, but if the chances of hitting location are roughly proportional to the old damage tables, then it solves the problem of hits missing, but keeping the hits locations in proportion.
If a unit forgoes it's +1 to hit modifier on ff orders in order to choose a hit location, that feels about right to me. Accurate armies will shoot you in the head a lot. Which seems right.
Nice work all. Keep it up.

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I just had another thought in relation to the 2d6 chart idea to determine what location is hit. Vary the number of dice used by class of titan. For example, Scout Titans would have a 1d6 chart for each facing, Battle Titans would have a 2d6 chart, and Mega Titans would have a 3d6 chart. This would automatically make hitting a particular location easier on a Scout Titan as there are fewer locations that can be hit. Same, but opposite, with Mega-class Titans that have more locations so each should have lower odds of being hit.

The chart that Mattman posted a while back is good, but not great, as the Head location should be closer to the center of the chart. This is because it is center mass (along with a Legs location) and thus will be targeted more than other locations and thus would logically be hit more than a 2d6 result of 2 would indicate. I'll run some numbers and see if I can come up with decent Battle & Mega Titan charts. A Warhound Scout Titan chart could look like this:

Warhound:
__ Front _________ Back ___________ Side
1 - Head _______ 1 - Reactor ____ 1 - Weapon
2 - R.Weapon ___ 2 - L.Weapon ___ 2 - Weapon
3 - L.Weapon ___ 3 - R.Weapon ___ 3 - Leg
4 - R.Leg ______ 4 - L.Leg ______ 4 - Leg
5 - L.Leg ______ 5 - R.Leg ______ 5 - Miss
6 - Miss _______ 6 - Miss _______ 6 - Miss

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Hi!

This is pretty neat!

You could also use this to implement any "accuracy" certain races would have. Like Eldar could roll 2 dice and pick the best. Orks roll two and pick the worst.

I see many additional potential uses to an idea like this.

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