Updated to most recent version of the formula (V0.46)

Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold

_ Marine models

Apothecary: _______________ 57.4 ____ -2.1 ______ +7.4
Apothecary Jump ___________ 64.4 ____ -5.3375 __ +14.4
Apothecary on Bike ________ 70.7 ___ -11.2 _____ +20.7
Apothecary on Jet Bike ____ 90.93 ___ -0.77 ____ +90.93
Assault HQ: _______________ 81.9 ___ -26.775 ___ +81.9
Chaplain: _________________ 74.2 ___ -14.7 ______ -0.8
Chaplain Jump _____________ 88.2 ___ -26.775 ___ +39.975
Chaplain on Bike _________ 102.2 ___ -42 _______ +27.2
Chaplain Jet Bike ________ 136 _____ -33.74 ___ +136
Chapter Master: __________ 124.6 ___ -22.05 ____ +24.6
Chapter Master Jump ______ 138.6 ___ -40.425 ___ +38.6
Chapter Master on Bike ___ 158.8 ___ -63 _______ +56.8
Chapter Master Jet Bike __ 190.26 __ -58.94 ___ +190.26
Forward Observer: _________ 60.48 ___ -2.52 ____ +10.48
Grey Knight: _____________ 107.136 __ -9.72 _____ +7.136
Inquisitor: ______________ 199.29 __ -22.05 ____ +99.29
Inquisitor Jump __________ 213.29 __ -40.43 ___ +113.29
Inquisitor on Bike _______ 231.49 __ -63 ______ +131.49
Inquisitor Jet Bike ______ 264.95 __ -58.94 ___ +264.95
Legion of the Damned: _____ 46.2 ___ -15.12 _____ -3.8
Librarian: _______________ 161 ______ -4.2 _____ +61
Librarian Jump ___________ 168 _____ -10.94 ____ +68
Librarian on Bike ________ 177.1 ___ -22.4 _____ +77.1
Librarian Jet Bike _______ 197.33 __ -13.37 ___ +197.33
Marine HQ: ________________ 67.9 ___ -14.7 _____ +67.9
OM Inquisitor: ___________ 117.95 __ -22.05 ____ -32.05
OM Inquisitor Jump _______ 131.95 __ -40.43 ____ -18.05
OM Inquisitor on Bike ____ 150.15 __ -63 ________ +0.15
OM Inquisitor Jet Bike ___ 183.61 __ -58.94 ___ +183.61
Scout HQ __________________ 67.62 ___ -8.82 ____ +42.62
Techmarine: _______________ 57.4 ____ -2.1 _____ -42.6
Techmarine Jump ___________ 64.4 ____ -5.338 ___ -35.6
Techmarine on Bike ________ 70.7 ___ -11.2 _____ -29.3
Techmarine Jet Bike _______ 90.93 ___ -0.77 ____ +90.93
Terminator HQ: ___________ 106.96 __ -25.73 ___ +109.96
Veteran HQ: _______________ 76.3 ___ -18.36 ____ +33.8
Assault: __________________ 26.4 ____ -6.975 ___ -8.6
Devastator: _______________ 37.8 ____ -0.9 ____ -12.2
Flamer: ___________________ 21.45 ___ -1.8 ____ -13.55 *
Scout: ____________________ 15.84 ___ -0.99 ____ -9.16
Tactical: _________________ 21 ______ -1.8 ____ -14
Terminator: _______________ 56.03 ___ -8.775 __ +11.03
Terminator CA: ____________ 43.55 __ -11.7 _____ -1.45
Veteran: __________________ 31.85 ___ -5.85 ___ -18.15
Attack Bike: ______________ 31.2 ___ -14.4 _____ -3.8
LS Tornado: _______________ 52.14 ___ -6.06 ___ -12.86
LS Typhoon: _______________ 55.875 __ -6.06 ____ -9.125
Land Speeder: _____________ 55.74 ___ -6.06 ___ +15.74
Marine Bike: ______________ 25.74 ___ -9.6 _____ -4.26
Marine Bike, Command: _____ 63.945 _ -21 ______ +33.945
Contemptor Mk1: ___________ 35.61 ___ -7.2 ____ -14.39
Deredeo: __________________ 41.2125 _ -3.6 _____ -8.7875
Furibundus: _______________ 41.01 ___ -3.6 _____ -8.99
Punisher / Contemptor Mk2 _ 44.01 ____ 0 _______ -5.99
Venerable: ________________ 70.72 ____ 0 ______ +70.72
Robot: ____________________ 52.5 _____ 0 ______ +15
Scatolo Combat: ___________ 41.715 _ -52.25 ___ +16.715
Scatolo Assault: __________ 36.81 ____ 0 _______ -0.69
Scatolo Heavy Support: ____ 53.19 ____ 0 ______ +15.69
Hunter AA: ________________ 53.7 _____ 0 _______ +3.7
Land Raider Morale 2 ______ 69.81 ___ -6.3 ____ -15.19
Land Raider Morale 1 ______ 75.6275 _ -6.825 ___ -9.3725
LR, Command: _____________ 125.525 _ -11.55 __ +125.525
LR Crusader: ______________ 65.19 ___ -9.9 ____ -34.81
LR Helios: ________________ 85.08 ___ -6.3 ____ -29.92
Predator: _________________ 53.7 _____ 0 ______ -11.3
Razorback:_________________ 36.9 _____ 0 ______ -28.1
Razorback, Command: _______ 78.4 _____ 0 ______ +78.4
Rhino: ____________________ 33.96 ____ 0 ______ +18.96
Rhino, Command: ___________ 73.57 ____ 0 ______ +74.0425
Rhino, Command Scout ______ 88.284 ___ 0 ______ +88.284
Sabre: ____________________ 35.7 _____ 0 _______ +0.7
Vindicator: _______________ 51.6 _____ 0 _______ +1.6
Mole Mortar: ______________ 55.0283 _ -0.9 ____ +20.0283
Rapier: ___________________ 25.8 ____ +2.7 _____ +2.7
Tarantula: ________________ 64.75 ___ -1.05 ___ +34.75
Thudd Gun: ________________ 17.3025 _ -0.9 ____ -17.698
Whirlwind: ________________ 44.67 ____ 0 _______ -5.33
Thunderbolt: _____________ 143.82 __ -70.5 ____ +58.82
Marauder: ________________ 142.485 _ -16.88 ___ +27.485
Thunderhawk: _____________ 218.97 ___ -3 _____ +118.97
Dropship: ________________ 357.948 _ -71.64 ___ +57.948
Warhound hull: ___________ 293.569 _ -51.52 __ +168.569
Reaver hull: _____________ 331.448 _ -48.3 ____ +31.4875
Warlord hull: ____________ 407.531 _ -33.81 ___ -92.469
Drop Pod Assault: _________ 64.26 ____ 0 ______ +?
Drop Pod Support: _________ 79.38 ____ 0 ______ +?
Drop Pod Deathwind: _______ 76.86 ____ 0 ______ +?


__ Space Marine Formations
_Company
Veteran ____ 819 ___ -97 _ -131
Terminator_ 1049 __ -143 __ +49
Tactical ___ 640 ___ -38 _ -110
Assault ____ 726 __ -119 __ -24
Devastator _ 864 ___ +26 _ -136
Battle _____ 738 ___ -58 __ -62
Scout ______ 307 ___ -23 _ -143
Land Raider_ 579 ___ -53 _ -121
Bike _______ 347 __ -127 _ -103

_Special: [all Infantry with accompanying Transport are Command vehicles]
Apothecary Rhino _____ 72 ___ -2 __ +22
Apothecary Razorback _ 73 ___ -2 __ +23
Apothecary Jump ______ 64 ___ -6 __ +14
Apothecary on Bike ___ 71 __ -11 __ +21
Chaplain Rhino _______ 89 __ -15 __ +14
Chaplain Razorback ___ 90 __ -15 __ +15
Chaplain Jump ________ 88 __ -27 __ +13
Chaplain on Bike ____ 102 __ -42 __ +27
Chapter Master Rh ___ 139 __ -22 __ +39
Chapter Master Rzr __ 140 __ -22 __ +40
Chapter Master Jump _ 139 __ -40 __ +39
Chapter Master Bike _ 157 __ -63 __ +57
Forward Observer _____ 78 ___ -3 __ +28
Grey Knights ________ 321 __ -30 __ -79
Inquisitor Rhino ____ 214 __ -22 _ +114
Inquisitor Razor ____ 215 __ -22 _ +115
Inquisitor Jump _____ 213 __ -43 _ +113
Inquisitor on Bike __ 232 __ -63 _ +132
Legion of the Damned_ 139 __ -45 __ -61
Librarian Rhino _____ 176 ___ -4 __ +76
Librarian Razorback _ 177 ___ -4 __ +77
Librarian Jump ______ 168 __ -11 __ +68
Librarian on Bike: __ 177 __ -23 __ +77
Ordo-Malleus Rhino __ 133 __ -22 __ -17
Ordo-Malleus Razor __ 134 __ -22 __ -16
Ordo-Malleus Inq Jump 132 __ -40 __ -18
Ordo-Malleus on Bike_ 150 __ -63 ____ 0
Techmarine Rhino _____ 72 ___ -2 __ -28
Techmarine Razorback _ 73 ___ -2 __ -27
Techmarine Jump ______ 64 ___ -6 __ -36
Techmarine on Bike: __ 71 __ -11 __ -29
Drop Pods: __________ 540 _ +107 _ +390
Marine Dropship: ____ 358 __ +72 __ +58
Warhound hull: ______ 294 __ -51 _ +169
2x Warhound hulls ___ 587 _ -103 _ +337
Reaver hull: ________ 332 __ -48 __ +32
Warlord hull: _______ 408 __ -33 __ -92

_Support:
Assault:___________ 197 __ -31 __ -53
Devastator: _______ 247 ___ -4 _ -103
Flamer: ___________ 176 ___ -8 __ -74
Scout: _____________ 71 ___ -5 __ -79
Tactical: _________ 174 ___ -8 __ -76
Terminator: _______ 282 __ -36 __ -62
Terminator Assault: 244 __ -45 __ -56
Veteran: __________ 228 __ -25 _ -122

Attack Bike: ____________ 119 __ -54 _ -106
Land Speeder (5): _______ 212 __ -24 __ +12
Land Speeder Tornado (3): 122 __ -14 _ +122
Land Speeder Tornado (5): 198 __ -23 ___ -2
Land Speeder Typhoon (3): 130 __ -15 _ +130
Land Speeder Typhoon (5): 212 __ -22 __ +12
Marine Bike: _____________ 98 __ -36 __ -52

Combined Dreadnought:
- 4x Contemptor Mk1: __ 107 __ -21 ___ +7
- 4x Deredeo: _________ 124 __ -10 __ +24
- 4x Furibundus: ______ 123 __ -16 __ +23
Mutilator Dreadnought: _ 115 __ -16 __ +15
Destroyer: _____________ 123 __ -11 __ +23
Punisher/Contemptor Mk2: 132 ____ 0 __ -68
Robot: _________________ 210 ____ 0 __ +60
Scatolo Combat (Flamer): 125 __ -99 __ +25
Scatolo Assault (AC): __ 110 ____ 0 __ -40
Scatolo Support(ML & Lc) 160 ____ 0 __ +10

Hunter AA: ___ 125 ____ 0 __ -25
Land Raider: _ 163 __ -15 __ -87
LR Crusader: _ 152 __ -23 _ +152
LR Helios: ___ 199 __ -14 _ -151
Predator: ____ 125 ____ 0 __ -75
Razorback: ___ 166 ____ 0 __ -34
Rhino: ________ 79 ____ 0 __ +29
Sabre: ________ 83 ____ 0 __ -17
Vindicator: __ 120 ____ 0 __ -30

Mole Mortar _ 128 ___ -3 __ +28
Rapier: ______ 60 ___ +6 __ -15
Tarantula ___ 246 ___ -4 __ +96
Thudd Gun: ___ 40 ___ -2 __ -60

Whirlwind: _ 104 __ 0 __ -46

Marauder: __ 333 __ -39 __ -17
Thunderbolt: 336 _ -164 __ +86
Thunderhawk: 219 ___ -3 _ +119


Sample Army _______ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold
--- Ultramarines
Terminator Cm _____ 1049 _ 1192 _ 1000
-Su Land Raider ____ 163 __ 178 __ 250
-Su Land Raider ____ 163 __ 178 __ 250
Battle Cm __________ 738 __ 796 __ 850
-Su Predator _______ 125 __ 125 __ 250
-Su Whirlwind ______ 104 __ 104 __ 150
Devastator Cm ______ 864 __ 890 _ 1000
-Sp Apothecary ______ 72 ___ 74 ___ 50
-Su Scatolo Heavy __ 110 __ 110 __ 200 (refers to Assault in current usage)
Tactical Cm ________ 640 __ 678 __ 750
-Sp Warlord Titan __ 408 __ 441 __ 500
-- Volcano Cannon __ 161 __ 161 __ 100
-- Multi-Launcher ___ 91 __ 183 ___ 50
-- Gatling Blaster __ 39 ___ 39 ___ 60
-- Turbo Laser ______ 58 ___ 58 ___ 75
-Su Land Speeder ___ 212 __ 235 __ 300
-Su Marine Bike _____ 98 __ 134 __ 150
--- Totals _______ 5095 _ 5252 _ 6000

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Very very interesting! It does look like everything has increased fairly consistently in proportion to other units which means in general GW's points costings were reasonably balanced. Let's face it, if they weren't, we would have had a LOT of one sided battles.

The one unit that really concerns me are the Terminators. I've got a feeling that - as well as having Land Raider support - they may be a victim of having a high CAF as well as decent weaponry. It's one worth keeping in mind...

It will be great to see how other armies come out after the cost revaluations, thanks for posting this!

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Hi!

I'm loving this points analysis.

With these values Mattman can finally start to give final shape to his formation.

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Actually, there are a few things (notably Tactical Marines) that came out as lower value than the old, as well as a few that came out with nearly identical values.

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I've always thought Tactical Marines cost too much, especially since they are crap. I've always fielded Devastator & Assault Companies to cut out the dross of Tacticals. The price drop may encourage me to use them again!

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I always liked my Tac's .

But yes, Devastator's for win.

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Sure they would be fine for killing enemy infantry, but in my experience enemy infantry (sensibly) takes cover in woods or buildings so landing a hit is very difficult

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Hi!

That is the point of the whole exercise.

Its not that tactical SM were bad, but as Magnus points out to costly (or the others too cheap).

The new points make the decision more interesting as you get more tac marines for the points.

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De ja vu, sure we have had this discussion before about how many of us don't take tactical marines and just stock up on vets, devs and assault marines

Matt

Hi!

As you can see Mattman, Magnus has laid out the raw numbers for several armies so far.

I think the ground work has been laid for some serious production of your formation rules and lists.

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Update on Marine units' costs due to changes in Transport calculations:

Land Raider: 84
Land Raider, Command: 120
LR Crusader: 77.1
LR Helios: 114
Razorback: 45
Razorback, Command: 75
Rhino: 31
Rhino, Command: 51
Thunderhawk: 308
Dropship: 368

Formations will change as well, but that takes a little longer to calculate as it's not automated yet, and there are other changes there as well.

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Hi!

I'm perceiving that with the change, the units with transport abilities are looking more "palatable".

I didn't mind the original ones, but I think people will be happier with the modified ones more.

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Space Marine Formations
All info not listed here is as per the Adeptus Astares PDF plus errata where appropriate. The following formations have been adjusted to conform to a Break Point of 1/1 being default, and a few minor errors fixed.

_Company: cost
Veteran: 735
Terminator: 960
Tactical: 480
Assault: 585
Devastator: 640
Battle: 565
Scout: 480
Land Raider: 500
Bike: 255

_Special: cost
Apothecary: 60
Chaplain: 90
Chapter Master: 145
Forward Observer: 75
Grey Knight: 255
Inquisitor: 170
Legion of the Damned: 195
Librarian: 75
Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor: 140
Techmarine: 55
Drop Pods: 155
Marine Dropship: 460
Warhound hull: 430
Reaver hull: 465
Warlord hull: 510
upgrade Command Rhino to Command Razorback: +25

_Support: cost
Assault: 205
Devastator: 230
Flamer: 175
Scout: 120
Tactical: 165
Terminator: 305
Terminator Assault: 295
Veteran: 260

Attack Bike: 130
Land Speeder (5): 200
Land Speeder Tornado (3): 125
Land Speeder Tornado (5): 185
Land Speeder Typhoon (3): 120
Land Speeder Typhoon (5): 180
Marine Bike: 105

Combined Dreadnought: 105
Mutilator Dreadnought: 105
Destroyer: 110
Punisher/Contemptor Mk2: 145
Robot: 265
Scatolo Combat (Flamer): 180
Scatolo Assault (AC): 125
Scatolo Heavy Support (ML & Lc): 120

Hunter AA: 170
Land Raider: 200
Land Raider Crusader: 185
Land Raider Helios: 275
Predator: 165
Razorback: 165
Rhino: 75
Sabre: 95
Vindicator: 155

Mole Mortar: 75
Rapier: 45
Tarantula: 190
Thudd Gun: 65

Whirlwind: 135

Marauder: 490
Thunderbolt: 420
Thunderhawk: 400


Current values for Marine units. These are final model cost, not including formation modifiers.

Unit: Calculated value (NEG value)

Apothecary: 49 (50)
Assault HQ: 85 (0)
Assault: 35.5 (35)
Chaplain: 78 (75)
Chapter Master: 127 (100)
Devastator: 42 (50)
Flamer: 28 (35)
Forward Observer: 64 (50)
Grey Knight: 132.2 (100)
Inquisitor: 149.8 (100)
Legion ot Damned: 86 (50)
Librarian: 62 (100)
Marine HQ: 64 (0)
OM Inquisitor: 124 (150)
Scout: 36 (25)
Scout HQ: 53
Tactical: 26 (35)
Techmarine: 49 (100)
Terminator CA: 74 (45)
Terminator HQ: 119.2 (0)
Terminator: 79 (45)
Veteran: 46 (42.5)
Veteran HQ: 82

Attack Bike: 36 (35)
LS Tornado: 52 (40)
LS Typhoon: 50 (40)
Land Speeder: 56 (40)
Marine Bike: 29 (30)
Marine Bike, Command: 41.5

Contemptor (old): 43.35 (50)
Deredeo: 45.35 (50)
Furibundus: 45.35 (50)
Punisher / Contemptor Mk2: 61.35 (50)
Venerable: 73.65 (?)
Robot: 47 (25)
Scatolo Combat 75.1 (25)
Scatolo Assault: 53.35 (37.5)
Scatolo Heavy Support: 49.35 (37.5)

Hunter AA: 70 (50)
Land Raider: 84 (85) [carries 2 Infantry/LA or 1 Walker]
LR, Command: 117 [carries 2 Command Infantry/LA]
LR Crusader: 77.1 (100) [carries 2 Infantry/LA or 1 Walker]
LR Helios: 114 (140)
Predator: 68 (65)
Razorback: 44.5 (65) [carries 1 Infantry/LA]
Razorback, Command: 74 [carries 1 Command Infantry/LA]
Rhino: 31 (15) [carries 2 Infantry/LA or 1 Walker]
Rhino, Command: 48 [carries 2 Command Infantry/LA]
Rhino, Command Scout: 68 (has Infiltrate) [carries 2 Command Infantry/LA]
Sabre: 40 (35)
Vindicator: 64 (50)

Mole Mortar: 31.5 (35)
Rapier: 18 (25)
Tarantula: 45 (30)
Thudd Gun: 27 (35)

Whirlwind: 56 (50)

Thunderbolt: 176 (85)
Marauder: 204 (115)
Thunderhawk: 334 (100) [carries 1 Detachment of Infantry, LA, or Walker]

Dropship: 384 (300) [carries 1 Company of up to Vehicle]

Warhound hull: 383 (125)
Reaver hull: 414 (300)
Warlord hull: 457 (500)

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Updated post for Capacity.

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