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So SG-1 uses 4 man teams. Would this be a combat unit in modern military? Would all SG Teams be 4 man? Or could they be more variable in size?

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A specialist could be assigned to join any SG Team as they see fit. For SG-1, though, they already had a specialist in Daniel Jackson.

4 man fire teams were the norm in the show, and while that may or may not be standard Air Force procedure in their reality, remember that only a couple people could go through a Stargate at one time. I think I remember 4 going through at once, side by side, which would naturally limit the size of each team, and each SG Team in the show were always 4 members in number.

They could be outfitted with whatever weaponry deemed necessary for the mission, and what can be carried being more important than what had to be dragged. Multiple SG Teams could be combined together for a strike force, if necessary. They would have to provide cover for the ones that follow. No vehicles except small UAVs and remote Mules. Maybe a small ATV could fit through as well.

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Thanks Splash.

When Hasslefree release their extra poses in a few months, I will probably look at getting their not-SG1 and then a generic 4 person SG team, possibly with another couple of figures to have variety of equipment to swap in/out as needed.

Your comment on Specialists makes me think. Because it's been a while since I initially watched series, my memory is n't great. Other than Daniel, did we see any other Specialists in the show. I seem to recall Dr Fraser occasionally going on missions so I guess a medic could be appropriate. Any other types Specialists? If so any suggestions of suitable 28mm figures?

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Yes, I agree with splash ... The US ARMY used 5 man "Fire Tms" and the USMC 3 man. Currently with the M2 Bradley the dismounts is reduced to 3-4 Fire Tms, IIRC ... Now IMO, and I know it is Sci-fi, USAF Spec Ops units in reality do not have those type "SG" Tms that you see in the show. USAF has basically 2 types of Spec Ops. Para Rescue jumpers, for downed pilot recovery. Who are trained in parachuting, scuba, etc. And CCTs, Combat Control Tms. Which are trained in PZ/LZ/DZ control, weather, calling in CAS, etc. They sometimes deploy with US ARMY Spec Ops. Both types are trained in combat ops as well, by the nature of their missions, they may get into actual shooting and being shot at. I've worked a bit with CCTs when I was in the 101 as an Air Ops officer. Now all that being said, and I do like the SG series. IMO an SG Tm would probably made up of US ARMY SF ("Green Berets")/ DELTA Force and/or SEALs. With the war on Terrorism US SF and SEALs work together many times. And on some of those ops USAF CCTs, may be attached. An SG Tm would actually come under control of US Spec Ops Command (SOCOM). And at times in the show you see USMC Tms for security and direct combat, as well. I'd think those type teams could actually be USMC Recon and or their version of a new Spec Ops type unit. As well as US ARMY RANGERS. And of course each team would have their version of a "payload specialist" like you see on the ISS and the shuttle. So that would be Daniel Jackson types, ie.: Technical Specialists in archeology, astro-biology, etc. ,etc. You'd probably have SG-Tms made up of SF/DELTA and/or SEALs/CCT with a Tech Spec like Jackson. SG-Tms that go in initiatly are in fact a Recon Tms. Then after the Recon, then Security Tms would go in to support the Recon Tm. With probably more Tech Specialists ... US Spec Ops are not trained in the hard sciences, of astro-biology, etc. ... obviously. You sometimes see this in the show were the SG Tm, after the recon, support teams of Scientists who evaluate the finds/sites. By providing security and furthr recon. But those teams would not be the fictional USAF Spec Forces, but SF/DEALT/SEALs/CCTs ... You'd want your best when it comes to First Contact ...

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What Legion said. Especially if you want it as real as possible.

And yes, as for specialists, some SG Teams were accompanied by archeologists/astronomers/biologist/whatnot for scientific purposes when it was required. If it were a combat mission, they would not be used, though. Unless it's Daniel Jackson. He's got lots of combat experience.

Once an area was secured, then they could pour in as many scientists as needed, regardless of them being attached to an SG Team.

I seem to recall that some SG Teams were made up of Air Force personnel and some were Marine Corps. On occasion, Russian special forces were used. I do not remember US Army personnel being used, ever.

Now all of this applies to Stargate SG-1. In Atlantis, they didn't follow much of a respectable pattern. In fact, they seemed to rely more on natives (Ronon and that ugly man-woman looking chick, Teyla) instead of structured SG Teams used on Earth. Just stick with researching SG-1 and not worry about how things were done in Atlantis. The Atlantis mission had a large Marine contingent and fewer Air Force personnel. They also were accompanied by a very large number of non-combatant scientists.

Now, Aschen, Goa'uld, and other baddies won't follow any Earth-based organization. Especially when using Jaffa, the Goa'uld seem to just cram as many warm bodies through the Stargate as fast as possible. On rare occasion, they'll send their own drone in, or just lob a stun grenade through first and then hope for the best. You can bet a System Lord WILL NOT go through a Stargate first, unless he's trying to prove something, or has let his arrogance cloud his judgment.

Oh, and Goa'uld Death Gliders (air/space fighters) can fold their wings in and pass through a Stargate. Keep that in mind, as it gives the Jaffa on the ground a huge advantage when they pull it off.

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Oh, I have some 25/28mm Jaffa. I got them free at Gencon a few years back (they were giving out free minis at the booth for people that would come up and ask questions--I sent my peeps in several times to gather as many as they could). Don't know the range, and they're currently buried in my closet. Hope none of them are damaged, as the minis seemed a bit fragile in parts.

Have you thought about 15mm Stargate gaming?

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I've seen Teal'c take out a Glider with a Stinger MANPAD ... (YaY!) And yes, I've never seen US ARMY troops being in the show, when IMO they should have been ... but I'm biased ... US ARMY RANGERS would have been sent to Atlantis ... not USMC ... Or both !

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Thanks guys,. I was hoping that L4 would be around given his army experience and also his love for Stargate!

Forgive my ignorance but would there be much difference in uniforms between USAF, USMC or Army? Likewise any firearms specific to or favoured by any of these 3 forces? Typing on my tablet whilst on dialysis so limited for googling at moment.

Other than Hasslefree, any 28mm figure ranges you would recommend to represent any of the above?

Splash- having forked out for 28mm Jaffa, I doubt I can afford any 15mm Stargate any time soon

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I think it had to do with which armed forces branches were willing to work with the producers of the show.

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Probably Splash ... but in reality if you play SG games, you could use any type units for deployment Teams. Have DELTA, SEAL, RANGER, USMC Recon, etc., etc. go thru the Gate, but again I'm biased. The USAF jumped right on board with even their Chief of Staff, General "what's his name" on the show. And a USN SSN popped up in the movie Stargate Continuum ... So it's all good ... To answer your uniform question W/I, now all branches have their own version on camo uniforms. I think it was an esprit' thing. And so the media could easily tell who is who. Back in my day, at one point all branches wore the same standard temperate pattern BDUs. Even CVN deck crews. Today SEALs don't wear the blue "Aquaflage" the other sailors wear. When deployed on the ground. They'd most likely wear green or some version of the USMC camo uniform. Based on enviroment, of course ... That would go for all the other forces as well. Otherwise all their weapons would generally be the same. With all generally carrying M16s/M4s. And the M203 GL ... The USMC has a bigger version of a GL or light rocket launcher called a SMAW. If you like to keep to the show fluff, USAF would carry P-90s. On the show I've seen an accurate portrayal of M249 SAW LMGs ; M60, M240 MMGs and the occasional M2 .50 cal HMG. Being used by SG Tms. Plus as I've said, a Stringer MANPAD. I'd add some light AT weapons LAW/AT-4/Javelin, to be used to take out bad guys/aliens in hard cover. Or even a hovering El-Kesh ... [And I also remember an M249 shooting down a Wraith Dart too BTW.] I'd send in a recon MALP first as we've seen them do. Then when the 4-5 man SG Recon TM go thru with another MALP as an ammo carrier. Depending on the situation ... Packing extra ammo, light AT and AA weapons and even a .50 cal Sniper rifle[Barrett or Weaver, the US prefers the first one, the Canucks the latter]. Some extra hand grenades too ... Maybe some Claymores, depending on the mission ... You may need some firpower to take out those crew served Heavy Weapons, the heavy version of the staff weapon that the Jaffa use. Any AT weapon or even an M203 could do that, based on range. And the Barrett for long range shots. Those could nail the weapon or the crew ... I'd do both, weapon first then the crew ... Hope that helps ...

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Been browsing net for options for generic SG teams.

TAG Swat teams look ok, and a lot cheaper than Hasslefree. UK£6.50 per 4 man squad rather than UK£5.00 per figure.
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=52

Also EM4's Corporate Guards (I believe used to be Grenadier Future Wars):
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/P ... ITARY.html

Unfortunately they do look a bit bigger than Phoenix Jaffa:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/9593487@N ... 119856271/

So ideally I need figures similar to above EM4 Corporate Guards/TAG Swat but slightly smaller.

Had n't realised that Phoenix Jaffa were more classic 25mm than 28mm. Got too used to the more "heroic" scale figures.

Has anyone got any of Wargames Foundry Street Violence range?
Was looking at their SV054 Backstreet militia:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-rang ... n-bcsv005/


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Here's a link with US camo patterns for uniforms, scroll down to the latter examples - http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=USA

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Thanks L4.

I'll keep an eye out for models armed with M249 SAW LMGs ; M60 & M240 MMGs, M2 .50 cal HMG.and Stringer MANPAD.

I'm now half way through Season 3 at the moment, so they are still using HK MP5's. Gather they switched to FN P90's in Season 4. Not sure if they ever explained the reason. Would the P90 have more stopping power than MP5?

So if I understood you right, I would be ok sticking with green uniforms and black body armour even for USAF personnel?

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Nice one. Thanks L4.

Ooof. There's a lot of options there. Will have to work out which will be easy to paint.

Further browsing came across this page:
http://stargate-wiki.org/wiki/Uniform

So have got:
U.S. Air Force Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) in either a green or black variant
Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU)
Army Combat Uniform (ACU)

Off to do further research.....

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So, I've got a couple of uniform observations for you to take or leave as you see fit:

While in Afghanistan as a dirt sailor I noticed that the predominant uniform was OCPs, or "operation enduring freedom camouflage pattern" (gotta love the acronym within an acronym! ), with most services wearing it. I was embedded with a US Army brigade, and the only things that distinguished me from the soldiers were my patches. Besides being easier to paint at 28mm, IMO they're much better than the current ACUs, which are meant for blending into many environments but blend into none. With a lot of brown/tan in them, OCPs blend into a desert background quite well despite having a lot of green. The navy is moving away from aquaflage (good riddance. Not fire retardant?!? What were they thinking?). The NWU type 2 is reserved for SEALs and Seabees, as it looks identical to the USMC digital desert pattern. The Air Force guys I encountered all wore the OCPs as well, as their "battle" uniform is not suitable for field use. The navy has moved to the type 3, which is a digital swampy-green pattern. They're meant to replace BDUs for the Seabees and small boat guys. The BDUs were still visible around bases a couple years ago. I've even seen state police swat teams in OCPs.

The upshot of all this is that you can justify whatever pattern suits the fictional environment best. Most of the services end up in the same uniform near the front lines. As far as weapons are concerned, most had M4s, but some were issued an m16 "musket". The army NCOs and officers were the ones that had m9s, but Air Force and Navy of all ranks were more likely to have both m4s and '9s. That may be a good way to distinguish members of a joint team. Most of the m4s issued had some sort of optics on them as well. I was surprised by the numbers of army guys with "muskets" (that term still brings a smile to my face), but I guess the reserves/guard still use them.

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