Tank Companies... ok, two that would still use both valdor and executioners. Anyone else? If everyone wants it and doesn't think it will be an issue I'll add them back into the Russ Maniple as an option.

1b) I'm very unlikely to add conquerors in. I don't want a whole bunch of russ options and I think the two we have are good.

3) I'm unsure about adding in more superheavy options. If we do add something I would think it would be the decimator over another baneblade chassis variant. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on adding the decimator.

I'm still thinking about the praetors. Do people want to see these in the list and do they work as AdMech? Crassus in the skitarii list are right out.

I'm not for adding confusing options, so I don't see adding an AA manticore.

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I'm strongly against there being a Decimator in the list. Baneblade, Shadowsword and Stormblade only please.

A superheavy lander is an interesting idea though, I'd quite like to see that in the list.

Good to hear you'll be adding some version of the Blessing of the Omnisiah to the list



Probably 175. The Leman Russ upgrade in the IG list is 175 but rarely taken.

Seriously?!? I'd take 2 formations of Valdors every game with the list – they get to garrison on overwatch and have disrupt and a better to hit. They have 5cm less move but can garrison by an objective close to the middle of table, countering the effect of that. I would imagine it would be more like you might not see Executioners taken with Valdors in the list (the Executioners would have to cost somewhat less). The 15cm move is overall more a signifigant advantage not disadvantage. Imagine a formation of say teleporting Terminators having to get shot by 5 x MW3+ Disrupt weapons before they assault – that's a fair bit better than your average garrisoned scouts weapons. On average it would kill 1.6 of them and place 4.3 blast markers on them - if the teleporting terminators rolled a 1 for any of their units due to the teleport they would then have 5.3 blast markers on average, enough to break the 2.3 remaining terminators before they attack, even with ATSKNF.

Preator would be cool, although I would be happy to proxy my preators for manticores. Is there much background for the Ad mech using them on the field?

Hadn't thought of the executioner taking some of the role of the valdor.

Not keen on seeing decimator added.

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Why? A super-heavy transport would be valuable to keep their skitiarii alive. Back in the Space Marine / Titan Legions era the AM Tech Guard had access to Gorgons. These days Gorgons are definitely stated to only ever used in trench warfare (and are very vulnerable being slow and open topped) but the Crassus could be imagined as a modern version.

The Crassus background in Imperial Armour 11 supports them being in the list:
"the Crassus has become widespread in use by the Imperial Guard and Adeptus Mechanicus armoured units of the southern and western Segmentum Tempestus...with production of the design being taken up in the last several centuries by the major Forge World of Lucius".

If you're having the Macharius in the list which Lucius has been making for only 150 years a super-heavy transport made for several centuries and known to be favoured for it's durability would be appropriate.

A vote for including the decimator as an ultra rare relic.

Also for something like a Capitol Imperialis as a tank transporter. The list does seem very 'thin' though.

Perhaps Tech-Priest + servitor squads that can lend leader to formations they intermingle with?
Ordo Reductor stuff - Crassus, Variants, Thallaxi?

Perhaps engineers tanks?

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Yes, it would be if I can find what they are called. Shark Assault Boats aren't it. I've got it in the list of ideas currently under discussion up top and I have a feeling that something similar to this will eventually materialize from FW with their mechanicum line.



Very well; it seems most people wouldn't have an issue with both types being part of the core choice. With the Executioner as a core, do folks want them separate or part of the same selection? In other words, one entry for a Executioner Maniple and one for a Vanquisher maniple?




It seems we are leaning against the Decimator. Any one else?



Primarily because the Minorus with Corvus exists and fills this role in a way that is more unique to the AdMech than a Crassus. It has nothing to do with whether the AdMech uses them.

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I still think the Conqueror should be in, because (A) its development came about specifically because the War Gryphons wanted a cavalry tank for their skitarii that could keep up with and support their Titan advance, and (B) our archetype titans legio list is the War Gryphons. Excluding it doesn't feel right for me, but then I'm a lore guy.

I know it's not a fancy rare tech design, but if it fits the lore closely, matches our list's lore, and offers synergy why exclude it?

I could easily see myself using a few 6-tank formations, and skip executioners for valdors.

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I'm still against Conquerors, and I think your fluff was retconned with the updated IA books. Now it's just saying the pattern was found in m38 and was deployed with Skitarii for testing with the War Griffons in a single campaign. The success saw it sanctioned and deployed widely with IG as a break through tank.

You do have the point that it's made mostly by Gryphonne IV though and we're focusing mostly on that forge world. The vanquisher is a similar situation in that it's mainly produced by Gryphonne IV and Stygies VIII, but I think is a more interesting unit choice over the Conqueror.

Would anyone be interested in dropping the Vanquisher entirely and split the Russ maniple into a Executioner Maniple and a Conqueror Maniple? You'd get a cheaper core activation and it might make a bit more variation between lists.

I'm also interested in adding a superheavy transport similar to the Marine Landing Craft to the list. The biggest issue is finding such a unit named we can pull in since I don't want to make up units if at all possible. The AdMech has to have some kind of transport since most of these units don't magically appear on the ground. I have a feeling we'll see something show up eventually in the FW Mecanicum line but does anyone have thoughts on if they've run across any named landing craft in their 40k reading? The Shark Assault Boat isn't it; it's built to breach ship hulls and deliver boarding parties.

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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Devourer_Dropship

Thoughts?
I'd basically just AM'ify the SM Lander and test from there (though with slightly worse armour and less weapons)

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Could use the old imperial guard drop ship, modified for ad-mech use as a heavy lifter?

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That is very promising. Any objections to this?

2x Lascannon
1x Apoc Launcher to represent the missiles?

Capacity of 10x vehicle models or up to 10DC in any combination, no titans?

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No majoris also but sounds like a good place to start if you ask me.

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Vaaish's and/or Jimmyzimms' suggestions would work for me. I'm assuming we're not using the Black Library combat drop Titan landers, a.k.a. "Coffin Ships"?

Somehow, I could see my opponent having a problem with me Planetfalling a CC warlord onto his Blitz...

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Good call.



You assume correctly.


EDIT: I've put a starting point for the Devoueror stats in teh second post. Apoc is a bit long range but lets start there and figure out from that. I've also floated giving it two VS in exchange for 1 DC less than a Marine Landing Craft as well as worse armor.

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