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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:23 am 
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Thanks Reedar. Presumably those are the 6mm/10mm KR trays ? Generally others have said they are too low but it looks ok there.

My issue is that i'd like to use my GW plastic case for transport to games and i assume that as they sell specific trays compatible with GW cases their standard size is different (so half trays are difficult to include too) ? Can anyone confirm ?



They're 6mm trays IIRC.

I've never had an issue with storing tanks in them. I've only one up to Ork battlewagon size (so nothing massive) and they do sit higher than the tray height, but as you're putting foam on top there is some sponginess to absorb it.

My collection has expanded so I've no got one case just for infantry, and another (different tray type) for the tanks.

I've not used the trays KR sell to replace the GW ones, but I know they exist.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:07 pm 
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Reedar and Rastamann, if I were to buy a 1200 aluminum case that has 6 "cases" how many individual trays of the types mentioned would that total to?

Or phrased in another way how many trays to a case?

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Reedar's 6/10mm trays come 5 to a case, which would mean 30 trays. Mine are half trays and stack up 4 high to a case, which would add up to 48 trays to fill up your cases. Mind you they'll be already included. You have only to specify which ones you want.

As you use, I believe, rectangular and square stands, my solution enables you to have 50 stands to a half tray and therefore 2400 for the whole of the 48 trays.

When I bought my card case I considered the 6/10mm ones but they were a bit (not much) more expensive. I had seen them before I bought mine but I think they were designed with metal historicals and 6mm tanks in mind, particularly those from navwar, heroics and ros and skytrex.

They appear to be very sturdy though, as they have a reinforced "floor" - 3 layers (foam, heavy cardstock, foam)

I like the added flexibility of the 40x25 23mm deep ones however.

Hope that helps.


Hi!

Thank you for the response!

The attractiveness of this line over sabol are the aluminum cases. As having move many times, I really need something that has a hard outer shell. I could not tell you how much time and grief that would have saved me over the years.

I like the half trays for infantry and was thinking of one of those 1200 just for infantry, since 2400 (approximate) stand capacity should hopefully accommodate all the infantry I have. ;D

A second one for the rest. ;)

What would you use for titans and such really big figs?

Also, what if I wanted an empty 1200 and put sabol trays in it? You think they'd fit?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:10 pm 
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Too many numbers in my head so i drew out the sizes of the various trays/cases and drawers i have available to try to decide. Thought putting the KR cases and GW ones side by side might be of use to others :

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Looking at it carefully, i don't think there would be too much trouble fitting the standard KR trays in a GW case as there is a bit of space left around the edges in each (especially 2000s era.) Can anyone confirm or deny ?

I think i will probably therefore go half trays for flexibility as suggested by Rastaman - though I guess it wouldn't be too hard to cut the trays yourself (??) as they are a bit cheaper whole and at the same time cut out 5mm to ease fit in GW cases...

My only frustration is that the lovely old wooden print-font chests of drawers i currently have half my collection in are a completely different size... >:(


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:29 pm 
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Rastamann wrote:
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Hi!

Thank you for the response!

The attractiveness of this line over sabol are the aluminum cases. As having move many times, I really need something that has a hard outer shell. I could not tell you how much time and grief that would have saved me over the years.

I like the half trays for infantry and was thinking of one of those 1200 just for infantry, since 2400 (approximate) stand capacity should hopefully accommodate all the infantry I have. ;D

A second one for the rest. ;)

What would you use for titans and such really big figs?

Also, what if I wanted an empty 1200 and put sabol trays in it? You think they'd fit?

Primarch


I'm happy to help where I can :)

For titans and big stuff i'd go, and probably will some day, for the J1H series pick and pluck. It is 108mm deep, which should accomodate most of them standing. I haven't considered what to use for the imperator, though.

What you have to realize for kr trays is that they have a second coding besides the series letter (which refers to compartment width and length). The numbers represent hpw many such trays will stack up to fill a card case. 1 means one single tray will fill it up, 2 means 2 trays stack up, and so forth. For standing warlord and reaver sized titans I'd use the 1 trays and for scout titans maybe the 2 trays would suffice. The 2 trays would probably be enough if the titans were laying down. The 3 trays may be good enough for squat war machines and ordinatii, but I can't be sure yet.

In regards to whether the sabol trays fit the 1200case, i really have no idea, as i've never seen a sabol case or their trays, but kr aluminum cases are designed to be filled up with the card cases with the foam inside them (almost like a russian doll), so I can try and take the measurements for a card case and for the trays themselves, when I get home. Can't get the numbers to you before tomorrow, though. Either way, when you buy an aluminum case or one of their bags, they automatically fill it up with card cases and foam to your specifications.


I haven't noticed a price difference between full and half trays though. I usually opt for a bespoke case and its usually 32.99€ using core trays, which is what I buy. I think you're mistaking 1/2 trays for 1/2 card cases, which is not what I'm advocating, Blip - I buy full card cases and fill them up with 1/2 trays, which costs the same as filling the, up with full trays.


Hi!

Once more, I highly appreciate the help! :)

With the inventory coming to an end and gearing up to finish and repaint everything the storage issue for me is top priority now. I cannot afford to use my old "tackle boxes" to stack well painted minis anymore.

For me at this point the KR aluminum cases are front runner. Its all a matter of what trays to get. I find the price including shipping quite good for what you get (somewhere around 450 dollars).

I like that the trays can accommodate 2 square infantry bases in one slot, looks they will be safe that way. :)

Thank you for taking the time for measurements and such, since it will be key for my decisions on tray size.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:57 pm 
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Thanks Rastaman for the tips on the KR codes - its like breaking the enigma !! :D

Rastamann wrote:
I haven't noticed a price difference between full and half trays though. I usually opt for a bespoke case and its usually 32.99€ using core trays, which is what I buy. I think you're mistaking 1/2 trays for 1/2 card cases, which is not what I'm advocating, Blip - I buy full card cases and fill them up with 1/2 trays, which costs the same as filling the, up with full trays.


Humm...i was looking at single trays. At least in ££ss the 23mm full trays (for example) appear to be approx £6.50ish while the half tray is only a pound less... You are right for full-case sets though - same price for whole and half trays.

Looks like i'll be buying sets or cases 8)

PS - Tip for anyone else browsing the KR site : Firefox seems to display much better than IE and Chrome.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:51 am 
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Hi Primarch and others, I've also also decided to switch to KR cases for my epic but it will take a while to work out what's required and then gradually start switching it all over. KR is excellent but it can take a bit of mental work to figure out the tray systems and so on. I recommend printing out the tray guide pdf's and playing around with them until you get something you are happy with.

I've already got them for my Batttlefleet Gothic and will take some some pics of that shortly and post them. However, in case it is any help, here is the KR-800 which I bought for my 28mm Napoleonics recently and had already taken photos of. This fits 4 standard cases, I don't know if I'd want to go up to the 6 case version as that would be starting to get very heavy and unwieldy, even when it's not full of minis! Might be ok if it was just full of plastic, but otherwise I wouldn't want to take it anywhere! I might get another one of these KR-800's to make a start on improved storage for my epic.

Here's how the KR-800 arrives. My partner was understanderbly thrilled and impressed by the new mancase arriving :-X but was a good sport about helping me take some photos of it and showing how big it is (or how small she is 155cm or so):
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The "lid" opens like a door, all hinges latches and general construction is very sturdy. Comes with space for a carrrying tray that is included and would be good for a standard epic EA 3K force, and another space for rulebooks etc.
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Here it is next to the standard KR Aluminium case in which I have 3 Battlefleet gothic fleets (will post pictures of inside later)
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Here's one of the cases with some Napoleonic 28mm Cavalary. These are 2/3rd depth trays (70mm) with 1/3rd tray (32mm) on top. These 2/3rd depth trays would be good for many titans, with some large units in the top trays. (Note those are 50mm squares though). For epic infantry and smaller vehicles I will use some of the combos people have already listed, though I'll also show some trays from the BFG case later that might give some useful ideas about how you can do things with epic too.
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Here's Napoleonic 28mm infantry in 1/2th depth trays (51mm) in two layers. Good for smaller titans maybe.
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I'll try and take some pics of the BFG case tonight and add them too.

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Hi!

Many thanks Markconz!

I don't move things around anymore soon the extra weight for the large case is okay. I want the protection more than mobility. I have a strict policy of not letting the primarchload out of my house anymore due to an incident 15 years ago where my whole tyranid force (and some chaos) was stolen at a exhibition I held. Granted it was as big as it is now, but it was a substantial purchase to replace it all. So I really need is good solid convenient storage in a durable case. This looks like it fits the bill.

My deepest thank to all whom have taken time to post pics of the KR trays and cases. It has given me increased confidence that it is the ideal product for my needs. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:18 am 
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Sold me to! Still thinking about the titans....


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Sold me to! Still thinking and the titans....


Hi!

Same here. The infantry and standard vehicles seem covered. Large stuff like titans require some thought.

Still, compared to what I knew about these (absolutely nothing), I feel very encouraged in making and informed decision.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:25 am 
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Like Primarch - Thanks to everyone for help on KR and others. Special mention to Rastaman - I've been looking to buy some cases for about a year but it all seemed too confusing. With your help i think its all sorted in a couple of hours ! ;D

Rastamann wrote:
We aim to please, Blip :D

I remember noticing that buying the whole card case with foam in it was less expensive than individual trays and only marginally more expensive than a tray set. I believe it was around 25€ for the set and 33€ for the card case, no matter if it was half or full tray.


Yeah, torn between saving £5 on £50 or just getting a whole extra card box...

Plan is to by a set (5) of the 10mm for infantry, cut them in half and stack them next to 4 of the 23mm half trays for tanks/tall infantry etc. Buy buying 2 cases worth i store one and transport the other, swapping half trays as required.

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One filled up tray of infantry and bikes, using both rectangular and square bases:


Glad to see i'm not the only one who refuses to bow to Wendy's insistence for 2 bikes per stand ! :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:11 am 
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Sorry to hear about the stolen army Primarch, - another nice feature of these KR cases is they are lockable, with keys on the standard case, combination locks on the 800 and presumably also the 1200.

I've taken out the standard KR aluminium case with the BFG and taken some pictures to show what trays I'm using and how things fit in. An important fact that KR website points out is that the foam is very flexible and you can fit in more than you might imagine in these if you do it right. So an extra cm or so over the size of the compartment is fine. All of these trays except the ones the Shapeways fighters and Ork Escorts are in are pick and pluck.
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On the right we have half depth trays, Dark Realm Pax Aracadian fleet on top - stored upside down as shown in a J2H tray. Some Epic aircraft could be done in a similar way. On the top right is the Kraytonian battleship poking up through into this tray from below because it is a huge model!
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And here is what is under the Pax Arcadians, the Kraytonians in a V2H tray, including the Battleship stored on it's back and poking up through the layer above via a hole I cut in the bottom of the top tray.
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Here are Shapeways fighters on the left side in a D4H quarter tray (20mmx20mmx40mm). I fit in 8 fighter stands (20mm bases) per compartment as shown. Could be good for doing your old 20mm epic bases in similar way perhaps if you want to save on overall space.
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Under the Shapeways fighters layer is a M4H quarter tray (25mmx20mmx40mm), with Ork BFG Escorts - as you can see you can fit a lot in!! Some overhang the compartments by quite a degree but it works absolutely fine. Similar potential with many Epic aircraft... This also is not pick and pluck and comes as it is.
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And underneath that is the Ork Capital ships in another V2H tray. Kill Kroozers and Terror Ships stored upside down with their bases slightly overlapping, and Battleships upright.
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And while I was at it, I started playing around with fitting in some Epic Titans... And was pleasantly surprised to find that they fit in the half trays on their sides very well.
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That is the 2 Reavers upside down above the Warlords - so you could fit 12 in a J2H tray!
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Looks like a J2H half tray could also fit 8 Warlords easily - so that is 32 Warlords or 48 Reavers in a standard case Primarch - just what you need!
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