Very much appreciated; Feel free to let the French 6mm'ers know about the campaign!

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There are a few iffy bits that jump out at me straight off - some things that've been mentioned already. No. of figures vs. base positions; presence of bases themselves; different races on the sprue; poses. And even the shape of the bases!

Most of these issues might be able to be addressed by stretch goals and extra funding success, but it's not apparent on the indiegogo page, and I wonder if they'll affect many other first impressions. I'm not quite familiar with a lot of mini crowdfunding projects either - is it normal practise to keep fairly major changes and improvements of the initial product as secret stretch goals? It seems a bit counter-intuitive to me.

Nevertheless, I'm interested to see how this goes and I hope it goes well. (Daydreaming about something similar for 10mm fantasy) I'll probably back once I check out my own funding.



Really!? What's the reason for that initial cost? Just tooling the mould? Does it involve addition to the 14 already there or simply replacing some of them with the new pose?

Either way - whoof. Six hundred squid to let their equipment scrape out a 6mm guy with slightly different legs, on a sprue full of 'em. I don't know if that's the mouldmakers operating on a shoestring, or a hefty markup; but I can't help but think how many 6mm infantry you could get out of a spincast mould for that kind of figure.

Hey Vermis.


I'll see about clarifying what our goals are - they've been somewhat evolving so far across the last 24 hours based on feedback, too.


Allow me to clarify- £600 to setup the machine to cut the tool with a particular sculpt, and then you can cut that sculpt into the tool as many times as you like. So £600 (after paypal fees etc.) would let us do 7x pose A & 7x pose B, instead of 14x pose A.

We could also cut that sculpt onto a completely different sprue tool, and it wouldn't cost anything above and beyond what the basic tool costs. So we could do a tool of 40x Pose A and 40x Pose B at some point down the line for a (relatively) low setup cost.

Or indeed, a tool of 20x Pose A, 25x Pose B, & 4x IFV's... and that's the point at which we invest in a totally separate sprue of bases.

But yeah, after a while you definitely get diminishing returns and you're better off setting up a new tool than you are trying to add one more infantry pose type onto a sprue that already has 10 poses on it.

Circles is unique.
If oblongs are preferred, I sculpted a lovely sprue of plastic oblong bases for Exodus Wars that sell for £2 for 16 bases.


I'd take that as a big vote of confidence, coming from you.
It'd take us through 25% funded, too. ;-)

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Interesting knowledge to be learned here. Thanks.

Don't really has any more need of any little men (deep into the heavier stuff at the moment) but would love to contribute simply on principle. Is there an angel investor option available to pledge?

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You can pledge any amount you like, you don't have to select any Perks at all.
Any such pledges in excess of the initial funding total will get put straight back in to giving people extra poses (stretch goals).

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a lot of this discussion ought to be on the indiegogo psge - or possibly have a link on it to here for the unsure to follow.

also, E&C - you're currently sitting at 4th in shut up and take my money on reddit. D&D scenery is currently number 1. http://redd.it/1eb00r
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This is an good point that should translate into more funding: The more information you can post up on your intentions, the better. Pledgers' imaginations will race if they hear what you're aiming for, and that'll translate to funding. A quick update to let people know concrete ideas on posing, bases, splitting the sprue etc. would be a great thing to post up tomorrow.

Besides, making a quarter of your target in an afternoon deserves an congratulatory update!

One thing I'm interested in seeing is how you will bulk up the humans. Adding armour?

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Fine by me – but as I say above, I really would make mention of the possibility of varied poses if it's something you'd like to open up to backers.

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How did that happen? "upvoting?"
I don't understand technology.


Ducks.

*also, prepares stretch goal #1 - the plastic buildings*

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Essentially they're just a little too skinny to cast at the moment according to the flow analysis - they need a fraction of a mm of extra bulk to their legs & feet at the least.


Thanks, but it's because of you guys, and for you guys.

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Please don't call it the Potato Tank.
Please.

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Ha, just posted in your other thread before i've seen this one here!

Same here again, really happy about Troublemaker Games putting themselves out there!
Will definitely try to support, even if i don't need the armies. Might be a start for something new though ^_^

Just a question to you E&C, if you don't mind.
Based on the previous question about the ratio between figures/bases, wouldn't it be a good idea to put the stretch goals right there?!
Based on my observation of other (successful) Kickstarters/Indigogos it will often make people pledge a bit more to get those goals made possible.

Also, a fancy video showing a render 360 might not hurt

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It's now on the funding page, and I've also included the cost of getting a third sprue of just bases made.


I'll see if I can set up some "this is what you get in a box" video renders.

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Wow. Just Wow.

Il have till Ive been payed again to pledge, which will be cutting it close to the end date, but I will have to scrape some cash together even if its just to grab one box. I dont have much use for a lot of the sprue, but there's always room for a few more green space potato warriors in my armies!

I love the bases, are they 20mm or 25mm? I can understand the want to have more figures rather then bases, but as a starting point for NEW players, or returning 6mm gamers, they are the perfect starting point. Many people have bases kicking around from years of playing, or from knowing where to order them online, but to a new player this will be a great starting point for 6mm gaming. I especially love that you have gone for round, I much prefer round for sci fi, rather then the more regimental looking square/rectangle.

I hope that this goes really well, not so much for the plastics for myself (as for many people here might be overflowing with plastics!) but if it takes off, it will open so many more options for making new and exciting miniatures in the future!



I myself will be looking forward to reaching the later perks- Buildings, and little tiny slave potatoes are getting me mostly excited! And of course, the aforementioned space gurl would be a most welcome addition to a heavy male dominated scale! ( I always understood that in fantasy, being based on the past, that men did men things like war, and women miniatures are missing because they are at home washing and cooking ducks, but I always thought that in the future there would be more women in space because of the whole equal rights thing...!)

Would love to see metal green potato leader bases as well, especially in heavy junk Armour, and flag wavers.

Will the buildings have a in Ruins or no battle damage just been built look?

So good luck with this, I really hope that between you and any help you get from the community here, that this goes off with any hitches, and that the pledges come in huge!

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Exactly. In part we're looking forwards, not back. :-)
But if the community demand is there, then splitting the bases off of the sprues and providing sprues with just humans or just aliens on is a high priority.


Current working assumption is okay-looking walls, and an option of intact roof or a damaged roof. Still pinning down final details on that one.

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