Which is one reason I want to keep both lists active; something old, something new.

Yme-Loc is not the place for all the hard-to-come-by tanks, but there needs to be a place for them.

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1) Correct

2) I'm probably going to allow this - something like "You May add up to three Falcons or Fire Prisms for 50pt each. One Falcon may be replaced with a firestorm for free." It just never made it into the posted dreft.

3) I want to allow the choice, though I expect the Spiritgate to e taken more often. There are still several formations that are Wraithgate capable - and a player may wish to save a few points and only use the gates for aspects, hornets, Windriders, and Rangers.

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Eldar really don't need another special rule, especially not one that only affects one unit that works perfectly well in other lists.

1) I think it's unlikely I'll do this. If playtesting proves it neccessary I'll increase the size of the troupe, but Hornets are gunned all out of proportion to their size, and larger troupes (five-strong would work out to 300pt) would give Falcon formations a serious run for their money as AT formations. +5cm speed, Scout, the ability to use Wraithgates (including the Storm Serpent gate), equal average AT per unit, and a slightly better save versus the disadvantages of being LV, and worse FF. Keeping formations small ensures they are used as recon units, even if they end up being particularly aggressive recon units.


As you can see, Hornets simply outclass Falcons everywhere except the 3 hits column - even there it only matters at 30cm or less, and is offset by the 50% higher chance of doing two hits (.694 vs. .444). Larger formations would make them much scarier, as their durability would be enough to use that firepower in a more cavalier way.

2) There appears to be little background from Chroma on why the CoV is configured as it is. I suspect the Firestorm is there to differentiate it from just a larger group of Night Spinners. It needs a big price jump to accomadate the doubling of templates, but with only Night Spinners the question becomes why one would take a four-strong Spinner formation for 350pt (the cost without the Firestorm) over two three-strong formaitons at 175pt. Adding a secondary capability makes the formation different enough to justify. I agree the special rule is unneccesary.

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Why not. I may be ok with that.


It's a downside for the 4BP upgrade.


The 3 strong Night Spinners formations don't suck. Don't forget it only costs 175pts.
So it's fine, and there is no need for a "one more special rule for the Eldars".

Night Spinners are awesome for their points, but only where you take several formations to ensure redundancy against the brittle formation size. 3x Night Spinners at 525 are arguably better than 2x separate Void Spinners for 500 (and certainly better than a pair of VS), because the additional firepower and activation offsets the reduced range.

Hence my suggestion of significantly reducing the Hornet firepower to balance against Falcons and allow larger formations for 200 points, which are both less 'scary', and consequently easier to balance:-

Hornet
Type: LV, speed: 35cm, Armour: 4+ CC: 6+ FF: 5+
Weapon: Hornet Laser 45cm AT4+
. . . . . . . Scatter Laser 30cm AT5+ / AP5+
Special rules: skimmer, scout
Notes:- May not garrison.

200pts for 5

(and possibly 40-50pt per model add-ons for Jet bikes / windriders troupes.)

The stats are scary, but in small numbers the fact they're on an LV makes them less so. Whereas the weapon arrangement you suggest is, to put it bluntly, just made up. I've no problem working with the stats on new weapons or using less common configurations to help balance, but in a case where there is a) a clear wish by the community to use a specific configuration, and b) a clear precedent for the weapon stats, I'm not going to use a made-up weapons config with made-up stats.

Take the time to playtest the Hornets as-is, and tell me your thoughts then. If there is a need to change things they will change, but I haven't seen any evidence in either direction yet, and I have seen a preference for the current layout as a starting point.

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