3x scorpion: 6xMW2+ at 60cm, 25cm speed, 5+ RA, skimmer, 3x 3DC, 2+ initiative
2x revenant: 8xMW4+ at 45cm, 35cm speed, 3+ inv, jump packs, 2 x 3DC, 1+ initiative

Effective range basically the same on advance, revenants otherwise faster.

Skimmer is slightly better than jump packs.

Scorpions can take 20.25 hits against AT weaponry, 13.5 hits vs MW and 9 vs TK. Each critical does an average of 1.5 extra damage however, and there will be 1.5 of them on average. That's 5 fewer hits from normal weaponry.

Revenants can take 18 hits against all types of weaponry. The average 1 critical will reduce that but not by as much as for the scorpions. I think 3 fewer hits on average for AT weaponry. So basically revenants are more resilient to kills, but of course less resilient to BMs.

Scorpions dish out average 5 MW hits, revenants 4. Revenants gain more from sustaining, scorpions lose less from doubling.

Then there's 1+ initiative...

Personally I'd usually rather have 2 revenants than 3 scorpions of an equal cost, but I reckon it's close.

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At 2x MW shots each Scorpion I would agree Kyrt, but don't forget the proposal to raise this to 3x MW3+ shots at 60cm or even 75cm.

In that case the Scorpions would get more DC, better range, better to-hit values and one more shot for the Revenants better initiative, Holofields and 10cm speed advantage, which probably tips the numbers in the favour of the Scorpions, though whether that is 100 points worth of difference is of course open to debate

I thought the 4+ downgrade for Revenants was a mistake and they are goig to revert to 3+?

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My bad (as they say) I did not pick that up, Revenants are MW3+ in both NetEA and E-UK and have always been so AFAIK.

MW4+ was debated many years ago but never implemented.

I think it's snuck into compendiums and lists from time to time, but always gets rooted back out again.

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2 x MW4+ was the stat line included in the Revenant Titan entry in the 2008 Handbook, so your memory is spot on.

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Just in regards to the titan vz SH debate, the titans do come out of your 1/3 costing, not a huge thing but does weigh into the debate as in theory you can field more SH tanks than titans.

Relevance ? who knows. just thought id mention it.

I don't think the Revenants is the correct comparison...

For 500 points, would you rather have one formation of two scorpions, or two formations of one? How about Cobras? Storm Serpents?

The only one I've ever seen anybody even think about answering "one fm of two" is Void Spinners, and even that was a minority opinion.

Actually, it takes 27 AT hits to kill 2 Revenants on average, you forgot the 5+ save (which they get once if they failed the holofield save vs non-MW hits).

Nope they don't have reinforced armour.

As Rug says though, Revenants get to claim cover, and SHT's don't, which makes a big difference to the number of hits that tend to get applied to them.

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No, they don't have Reinforced Armour. Heaven forbid they did! They are already awesome as they are.

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Oops, true. I misplayed them the entire weekend :S

Good thing I mostly lost.

Scorpions/EoV being skimmers are also effectively immune to CC, rendering many deepstriking assaults rather neutered. Skimmers can always choose to use their FF value right? If so in my mind that's a considerable advantage over revenants.