Honestly Rug...

Why bother with NetEA at all then?

Why occupy an AC position if you so shamelessly think that the NetEA process is flawed?

edit: note I am not making any judgments here. I think you are doing a good job as an AC. But I don't understand your statement.

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Rug does a damn fine job as an AC, he was clearly stating that he thinks the NetEA eldar review process was flawed, not the whole NetEA process

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In your opinion, should we not even try?

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Pick up a copy of the current Eldar codex for 40K and see for yourself. The days where Exarchs had access to all manner of weapons have long since passed.

It's also worth noting that background doesn't equal rules, so you're always going to have some level of abstraction.

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Scorpions dont have a gauntlet? Avenger a power sowrd? banshee an oversized power stick? Shining Spear a super lance?

I agree with your second statement. However the abstraction should serve simplicity, not the other way around. I would be in favour of removing all extra attacks on Exarchs and diminishing their point costs. Failing that, balancing bwtween CC and FF sems mandatory.

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Yes, they do, but it's not necessarily their primary weapon, and not all of their Exarch weapon options would translate to MW either, making a MW EA stat inappropriate.



Removing EA makes no sense in my view. Inspiring and having multiple attacks is what distinguishes them from Aspect Warriors.

There is no problem at all with balance here. Just leave well enough alone is my advice. You don't need to fix everything, especially regarding the Eldar .

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for 25 points you get inspiring and extra MW attacks on a stand that has good to hit numbers, save and has excellent transport options and initiative +1. And you're saying that removing the extra attack should lower their cost? If anything the Inspiring by itself in this kind of fm in this kind of army is worth 25 pts!

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Don't forget the biggest problem - the eldar Champion hasn't really been active for years.
Top bloke, but he's not really around all that much anymore.

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I do kind of feel like I'm talking to myself on here sometimes. I've written at length why EUK Banshees and Exarchs are as good as they're likely to get in previous threads.

Yet here we are re-hashing the same old arguments, ignoring everything that has been said before and repeating ourselves, quite frustratingly.

To Summarise:
1) FF > CC, no fiddling with Eldar stats will change that.
2) FF inspiring characters > CC Inspiring characters, no fiddling with Eldar stats will change that.
3) EUK FD Exach is a good option if you have air assault and or WS mounted aspects. Not necessarily the best. DR Exarchs bring ranged fire and you wouldn't use a FD Exarch in fast moving, cheaper fms of aspects like Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawk or Shining Spears. If EUK FD Exarchs were so overpowered, every Exarch would be one. There is quantifiable evidence that this is not the case. Therefore EUK FD exarch doesn't automatically = broken and is actually quite well balanced. The only exarchs you don't see on a regular basis are CC ones because: see above points.

Give CC exarchs two attacks, because awesome.

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darn it, why no? People will still take FF Exarchs in preference* where there's a choice, so it won't make a damned bit of difference. Lets give them 3 EAs whilst we're at it.

(*With the exception of Shining Spears of course who do actually see regular usage).

I think most people agree with you on EUK Banshee exarchs. I do at least.

Win! Cheers Ulrik.

It's just the constant repetition of argument/debate that's starting to wear down my patience a bit. I'll bow out now as I've nothing to add that I haven't already said before.

Not to repeat myself, but the Eldar lists in particular get into repeated circular debates because the Eldar Champion has been effectively idling for years, and the ERC or other AC's really need to ask him whether he's interested in upping his game or not.

And yeah, I'm aware of the irony that the Eldar Champion also has oversight over himself, because he's on the ERC.

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