Ulrik wrote:
I don't think it would be a good idea to split NetEA (even further).
Here is the strength of the EA list system - want to include modern units in a marine army? make a list with them in it. Honestly, I think the lists from Swordwind and Armageddon should be frozen, except for balance concerns. They are what they are, and they work. Instead of taking something that isn't (significantly) broken and padding it with new units, build a new list from the ground up. Epic as a rule system handles a Codex Astartes (2003) and Codex Astartes (2012) just fine. The only problem is that some people get their panties in a bunch if they can't point at one list and say that that list is THE core list.
QFT.
Game balance MUST trump keeping up with GW's business requirement to sell new toys to eager players. Many/most/all of the
approved lists are balanced and finished. The lists work.
For exampkle, if someone wants a Storm Talon in their Marine army, buy the model (if/when it ever becomes available) and use the proxy rule (as a Thunderbolt) until someone comes up with a variant/alternate themed army list that has these new shiny toys in it and when it's balanced.
GW will always come up with new units that change everything. It's their world and it's their right to continually invent new things to sell. If we try and keep up with this, there will be no such thing as a finished (balanced) list.
Here's an old quote from one of the main protagonists in this thread:
Quote:
Marines are not supposed to have fighter class aircraft... it's never been part of their background.
Out of context... maybe. Makes a point - yes.
That same person now thinks that Marines have always had fighters and that they will be a staple of every Marine list from here to eternity.
At some point, a list has to be stamped FINISHED. If lists are always in a state of development, there will be no way to ensure that they are balanced and ready for competitive play.
There's little point in calling for NetEA army champ heads to roll if the list they are steward of is finished and has been in use for a long period of time without balance issues. If the army champ is stifling development of
new lists to incorporate the latest cool toys for 40K then there's an issue.
As always, this is just how
I see it. I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds or say that my way is the only way.