man that thing is ugleeeee.....

I look at it and it actually makes me angry.....

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seriously, the forum here needs to get together and design a post human warrior aerospace fighter with appropriate rules. just sayin'

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It has:

Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 5+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 30cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Fixed Forward Arc
Twin Heavy Bolter 30cm AP4+/AA5+ Fixed Forward Arc
OR
Skyhammer Missile Launchers 30cm AP4+/AT6+ Fixed Forward Arc

Notes: Reinforced Armour. Note that a Storm Talon may be armed with Twin Heavy Bolters or a Skyhammer Missile Launcher not both weapons!

Formation of 2 for 300pts.

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In line with MikeT's post, I think a major problem with the Storm Talon design might be Neoteny.
Too cutesy with it's big head and stubby other bits, and not something any self-respecting marine would be flying around in!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

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no BL, i mean some bit of custom white metal !
You know, a proper fighter!

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The assault cannon does not look fixed towards to me. Forwards arc and 15cm range more likely.

Sky hammers not worthwhile unless they have a better AT rating.

300pts is too much. Try 200pts.

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Strength 7 is Autocannon Strength. So no better AT rating here. WH40k range of the missiles is 60" but you don't want this on an aircraft i suppose


The Assault Cannon argument is valid.

How about this? Or increase the Skyhammer's range to 45cm? Or drop it completely?

Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 5+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc
Twin Heavy Bolter 30cm AP4+/AA5+ Fixed Forward Arc
OR
Skyhammer Missile Launchers 30cm AP4+/AT6+ Fixed Forward Arc

Notes: Reinforced Armour. Note that a Storm Talon may be armed with Twin Heavy Bolters or a Skyhammer Missile Launcher not both weapons!

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A twin Autocannon would have AT5+

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Edited my above posting.

Web rumours stated the Skyhammer Missiles as twin-linked. But they aren't.

EDIT:
Oh i have the solution!
The Hover Strike ability gives all attacks the "Rending" ability. The Assault Cannon is already Rending so it would improve only the characteristics of the Skyhammer Missiles.
But i could be wrong and it is "Pinning"? So i would add Disrupt to the Skyhammer but keep AT6+.

So now we have this:
Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 5+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc
Twin Heavy Bolter 30cm AP4+/AA5+ Fixed Forward Arc
OR
Skyhammer Missile Launchers 30cm AP4+/AT5+ Fixed Forward Arc

Notes: Reinforced Armour. Note that a Storm Talon may be armed with Twin Heavy Bolters or a Skyhammer Missile Launcher not both weapons!

Or this:
Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 5+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc
Twin Heavy Bolter 30cm AP4+/AA5+ Fixed Forward Arc
OR
Skyhammer Missile Launchers 30cm AP4+/AT6+ Disrupt, Fixed Forward Arc

Notes: Reinforced Armour. Note that a Storm Talon may be armed with Twin Heavy Bolters or a Skyhammer Missile Launcher not both weapons!

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Needs more skulls / more guns!!

Unfortunately I don't like either the Storm Raven or Storm Talon figures. It is unfortunate because the only SM flyer that I really like is FW Storm Eagle, which is way more expensive.



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Visal appeal aside: The Space Marines now have a proper Fighter Aircraft. What do you say about the proposed stats?

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You're being too generous on the armour, BL.

I'd go:

Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 6+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc, Disrupt
Skyhammer Missile Launchers 45cm AP4+/AT5+/AA5+ Fixed Forward Arc
Notes: Reinforced Armour

I think it makes more sense for hover striking to be scary to things nearby. If it makes sense at all, that is.

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Well the armour is the same as on the Thunderhawk which is already is the toughest aircraft in Wh40k. So i ALREADY downgraded the save

An Assault Cannon don't has Disrupt so this ability has to go on the Skyhammer.

And anidea occured to me. The Storm Talon can escort a unit coming fromreserve. So how about two versions?

Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship (Intercept Configuration)
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 5+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc
Twin Heavy Bolter 30cm AP4+/AA5+ Fixed Forward Arc

Notes: Reinforced Armour.

250pts for two.

Or this:
Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship (Escort Configuration)
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Light Vehicle Skimmer 6+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc
Skyhammer Missile Launchers 30cm AP4+/AT6+ Disrupt, Fixed Forward Arc

Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Upgrade to any ground formation: Add a single Storm Talon for 75pts.

Note that the last one has worse armour as it has to stop moving in intervals to stay with it's formation making it more vulnerable to shooting.

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To be honest I prefer the second in general. I know GW have released this as part of their (misguided) attempt to shoehorn fliers into 40k, but putting a lightening fighter and a vulture gunship in front of me and then saying "look at this new miniature, which one is it most like" I'd say vulture every time. The storm raven is only a skimmer. I know the background paints it as a fighter aircraft, but in aeronautica a vulture can fight a thunderhawk, in epic a decision was made to separate the two types of flying craft.

Maybe but the Space Marines need a Fighter Aircraft which isn't part of the Imperial Navy. And this IS the Storm Talon.

Dont' forget the description explicitly states (emphasis by me):

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