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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:05 am 
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Hydras are the one exception :) Basically I'd rather not see everyone's collections entirely invalidated so the hydra flak upgrade and chimedons give folks who had chimeras and hydra batteries for their admech armies a place to use them.

Ugh and yet I bought Gorgons!


I'm in the same position but I'm assuming that a transport minoris option will remain? If so it`s not that bigger deal for me.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:03 pm 
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I think something like this might be better? Focus on the Skittles...as a Deployed army they won't have as many Orditus and the ones they do will be the smaller Minors as the Majors are to rare and valuable to have so many of them at 1 fight. Then in the PDF list we can have Majors and Minors as Core as it would give that "Throw everything we got" attitude.


This doesn't fit the fluff. From what we've got the minorus at least seems to be pretty standard issue. Dark apostle has at least one minorus per company and there's no reason to see that as a unconventional. Majoris seems to have been more rare, but it seems each major planet have one.

The dedicated AA minorus just won't happen. It's awkward and I believe will bloat the list without really filling the hole we are trying to fill because of the expense of taking a company. If we want to focus on Infantry, don't make the primary AA a giant tank! It's a far better to have the AA on the infantry and have it a bit more affordable while fitting with the new theme. I listed the minorus and majoris with the AA option simply because their HB can currently shoot air targets.

SInce the Ordinatus is pretty integral to the AdMech, I wanted to break it out of the competition for support slots and keep the focus on the infantry.

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I'm in the same position but I'm assuming that a transport minoris option will remain? If so it`s not that bigger deal for me.


this is correct.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:02 pm 
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If you wanted an alternative Imperial flyer, how about Lightning? Lightning are fairly rare and don't appear in many IG lists (IIRC they are in Vanaheim).

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Lightning Interceptors and Strike variants are in the Elysian list as well.

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and the Harakoni as well ;)

....and the Inquisition lists and Sisters List.

Ok- so I have nt been following every single Playtest list....

The question remains though- how many lists use Thunderbolts vs the ones you listed above.

I suspect that far fewer which makes the Lightning rarer, and thus would help make the Ad Mech more distinctive.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:06 pm 
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Just so we are on the same page here, I'm moving toward zero aircraft and instead relying on ground based AA. That means no lightnings, no thunderbolts, no lysander outside of the warmonger.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:17 pm 
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That puts a large onus on the ground AA. Do you feel Hydras and Ordinatus Bolters will cut it?

To bring up an old idea, A Hydra-Mach or other Admech only vehicle might be useful to bolster the defences.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:36 pm 
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It does. This is why I keep saying that we need to look at either an AA servitor or adding AA to the praetorians. Adding in an AA macharius is going to be expensive and we don't want to create an entirely new vehicle. I would much prefer to see infantry based AA than vehicle based since it follows the infantry focus.

It needs to be something to bridge the gap between the 400+ point Ordinatus AA and the cheaper but very vulnerable Hydra and Minorus upgrades. Right now anyway you go to get AA that isn't easily taken out you need to drop 300-400+ points which is a bit much if the list isn't going to have aircraft.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:36 am 
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Just throwing this one out here as a possible discussion point. I've no quarrel with aa infantry but figured this was a good a time as there'll be for new ideas.

What about leaving aa on the vehicles but come up with a way of providing more resilience to air strike/assault through an infantry choice?

For instance instead of an aa servitor we could have a shield type which would enable the unit to count as within cover against air strikes and air assault? I think a servitor lugging around a focussed but still fairly week shield generator would be a pretty reasonable admech solution fluff wise too.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:22 am 
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My main problem with an AA ground option is that it's yet another infantry type, or it's going to be a weapon attached to a preexisting unit, watering down its purpose.


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I could see AA on a robot as being workable.

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Which one, the colossus? Give each a 30cm AA6+ shot?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:51 am 
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Vaaish wrote:
Which one, the colossus? Give each a 30cm AA6+ shot?


That sounds a lot better honestly.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:15 am 
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I don't think that would be sufficient AA for an army lacking air power.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:31 am 
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You'd then have the AA shots on the minorus and Majoris, the flak upgrade, and the Colossus. That means every core formation outside of praetorians would have AA access.

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Vaaish wrote:
You'd then have the AA shots on the minorus and Majoris, the flak upgrade, and the Colossus. That means every core formation outside of praetorians would have AA access.

Assuming we don't ditch the AA shots on the HB....which I think we should

But allow for an AA upgrade for the Minors and maybe the Majors

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