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Sorry about that, I quoted the relevant parts to help clarify rather than just saying read the first post. To boil it down (again), the list needs to represent a selection of units that are closely identified with the AdMech and let the player choose how he wants to use the force.

We had a lengthy back and forth about the ultramar PDF. Skitarii are a bit more complicated than simply PDF or IG regiment because they are raised by forgeworlds and defend the forgeworld itself as well as being deployed to other worlds or areas of the galaxy. The closest we have to that is the Ultramar PDF which helps maintain defense of the Ultramar realm as well as being deployed across the galaxy with the ultramarines. That's why I picked the Ultramar PDF as an example of why the skitarii could still be classified as a PDF. However, my point there was to say that the name changed to eliminate the issue entirely.

I see you posted while I was typing and I think we are having a bit of breakdown in the definition of core There are two "core" aspects I'm talking about. The first core is the selection of units that I see as iconic to the AdMech and need to form the backbone of the current skitarii list to create the AdMech flavor.

The second "core" is the selection of units within that group forming the core selection within the current skitarii list. That is the Sagitarii or praetorians, Skitarii DC, and Minorus.

What you are talking about right now is expansion beyond the current list, and I agree with you that core units to those lists would depend on their them and style. Core units from those lists will probably include some units from the initial skitarii list as well as other units selected from the complete list of admech units I'm trying to create up in the first post.

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A poll is not necessary or very useful in this case. All it will serve to do is fracture. What we need to do is focus on the current list and finish it. To do that I felt it necessary to make a roadmap so we were all on the same page with what I'm trying to set as the theme and goal behind the current list. The theme hasn't changed from what it was in the E test series, I'm just laying it out more clearly (at least I hope) for the community to understand and to highlight those units that I believe are imperative for the theme after analyzing what we've got and what's out there in the fluff. It's a base for us to expand on nothing more. It's not streamlining the kitchen sink so much as it's cleaning out the muck at the bottom.

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Yeah, it was supposed to be a PDF list, but I never had any discipline with the list until three months after I stepped down, thus it was a terrible themeless industrial kitchen sink list. My bad.

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meh. stick tracks on it and call it an Ordinatus Pluumber

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There will always be people who don't like changes or directions and polls typically dictate the will of the loudest or most active segment of the community. Even the choices available, no matter how carefully prepared, can bias the results. What I'm doing here is putting out for all to see where I'm taking the Skitarii list. Perhaps it is a mistake, perhaps not. You can disagree with that direction, and that's fine, but this is the direction I see as being the best for the skitarii list based on all of the information I can find on the way the skitarii are organized, what is available to the AdMech, and how the skitarii are used. It's not the same idea as an army themed for a specific conflict or a specific play style; it's meant to capture the essence of what makes the fighting forces of the admech unique. If you have suggestions, feel free to post them. it's far more useful data than what is gained from a poll.

At this point, all polls will do is reduce the list to committee rule which isn't going to get us anywhere useful. So instead of discussing polls about which kitchen sink or if it should really be a utility sink or bathroom vanity, lets focus on the roadmap and then implement it. Right now that means we need to move the discussion back to looking over the types listed on the first page and decide if they are fitting for the primary skitarii list and if not, which should be in their place.

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Polls were good enough for your purposes a few weeks back with the leman russ and macharius polls.

What changed?

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Our conversation about them afterwords.

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The list isn't titan support. That should probably be part of the titan legions list or a derivative list. The list should represent a skitarii force operating on the forgeworld and deployed in operations off planet. This is mostly up to the player based on how they use them.

A typical army list should field primarily skitarii infantry and ordinatus. Secondary choices should tilt toward robots and servitors, but with alternative options.

That said, what defines a theme to you? The unit selection? A back story? The list structure? I am genuinely curious because what I see as a theme doesn't seem to communicate the same to you and that seems to be the root of the issue.

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Vaaish, your concept of theme seems to be drawn from having more army list choices than any other list, and you keep adding new choices (new units). The only Theme evident there is a generic kitchen sink approach.

Since you spread your list Theme very wide (a generic skitarii army operating as a generic PDF or as a generic attack army) it lacks focus and character.

Pick a forgeworld of origin.
Pick a particular battle (that could be on the forgeworld or it could be off world)
Then, and only then, start to write the list to reflect the forces deployed in that battle.

Don't write generic, because generic never works well: you end up with a bloated Themeless list that is impossible to balance properly.


So what is the core speciality of your Forgeworld?
Robots? It has rare Robots
Infantry? It has lots of infantry choices
Titans? It has arguably a greater freedom in Titan selection than the War Gryphonnes list due to the lack of composition rules
Ordinati? It has a good selection of ordinati of minor and major types
Guard equipment? It has some guard tanks, with more being suggested to be added (gorgon)
Defensive bias? You're considering adding defence lasers etc.

There's no core Theme there, just a scattergun of "this is cool".

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