On the one hand, we will be just fine. We have a very strong community, alternative miniatures sources, and create our own balanced rules. I don't think that we, as Epic players, have anything to fear at all.

On the other hand, it has to be acknowledged that the game is not in a healthy state. When SG miniatures were removed from GW stores, we lost the chance to grab new players with impulse buys. When SG as a division of GW was disbanded, we lost the presence and official status of the games and releases. With SG games rules disappearing from the GW web site - even temporarily - we lost the stability of the systems, further putting people off trying them. If we lose the source of official miniatures, we lose any argument for people to start playing the games. Like many other things in the world, these are either growing or dying.

However, this is not a revelation. Many of us here remember the cold winter shortly following third edition, when the promise of a new edition was cut bitterly short. But, we kept at it. I agree that the likihood of a fifth edition is incredibly small at this point, given the current economy and GW focus. But, that doesn't mean that we should write it off. Factors change and it is possible that the increased competition of wargames will result in GW attempting to draw on strengths that few of the competing companies posses, in its different scales, and try to stop the hemoraging of older players to rival games. It would almost make business sense.

The community here and beyond these forums does a fantastic job of keeping the fires burning. This is essential. If Epic is to be seen as a game that is worth picking up - by both potential new players and GW for a future edition - it has to continuously refuse to go away. Even if a fifth edition happens, and all of the development here for fourth is discarded, it will still be invaluable to prove to players and GW that the market and support for the game continues.

The majority of factors about the game are sadly out of our hands, and this is unlikely to change. But, we do what we can and have some fun in the process. As long as the community exists and gathers and does it's best to raise awareness, the game lives on. This is why I pushed for TECS in the NetERC, and this is also why I am diversifying the site and these boards.

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If GW decides to rerelease the game (5th edition), then they'll probably change the scale to say 10mm or some other small none 6mm scale (knowing GW they'd probably call it "Epic Apocalypse"). This would force all of us old players to buy new miniatures together with any new players to maximise profit.

Even so I would stick with my existing 6mm minatures. I am not about to throw out my entire Epic collection!!

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I think they would be very wary of doing that Borka, after all, dreadfleet turned out to be a total flop, and that was trying to reinvent something which didn't need reinventing (plus I reckon they priced themselves too highly at £70 a set)

when you got bored with space hulk, you had the beginnings of a tyranid army and a nice expansion for your space marines, when you got bored with dreadfleet (probably after the 9th hour of playing a game) you could er..... stick them on the edge of your warhammer table and pretend they were really far away....

if they released a big box 6mm game, then many people would buy it to slot into their epic armies when they got bored with 'AAARGH TITANS!!' or whatever it was called, I'm super excited about Polyversal for the same reason, and would happily pick up multiple copies if the miniatures were decent and the price on the right side of ridiculous.....

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All GW would have to contribute is the production cost of packaging and the fancy advertising , its a no brainer

I already have in my head certain sculpts that are availible that would fit perfectly.

The only drama gw would have is what to spend all the profit on after selling there remade sm hh box set

As for themworrying about it taking sales away from there 28mm line, i personally dont think it would affect those at all
as 6mm players are 6mm players and its not everybodys cup of tea but for the older gamers it would be great thing
for gw to do to throw a token gesture of thankyou back at the sg games section even if its not aimed at revamping
the 6mm line.

I can dream it would happen but they would have plenty of my cash aswell if they did as i would take a few box sets


Regards epic

polywhatsal?

I can't see a 5th edition happening.

1. For one, I can't see that much has changed in the intervening period since EA that would precipitate a change in attitude from GW. If anything, GW probably thinks that Apocalypse reduces the demand.

2. Likewise, I struggle to imagine that tooling for an army-sized range of 10mm miniatures for even just two races can be justified.

3. Can you really see GW outsourcing any part of a miniatures game it produces. So far it licenses very little, only to a very small number of partners, and never its core product. Even publishing of fiction is tightly controlled.

I daresay a box set is *possible*, but I think it'd more likely be a titan game than "hey look, it's 40K but smaller". A more limited set of sculpts required, and sufficiently different from 40K. So, what could £70 realistically get you? Dreadfleet actually looks to have a fair number of sculpts in it and so would not be cheap to develop, if not a lot of actual plastic. I guess something like Titan Legions would be achievable, maybe a warlord and a couple of reavers with customisation options?

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I have to agree that the chance of GW putting out a boxed set of figures is pretty low.

Even when SG was in business GW wasn't interested in doing a boxed release of any of the SG games. Not Necromunda, Mordheim or E:A. I can't see why they would want to release one now.

There is now no team responsible for those games which means that if they put people on a boxed E:A game it will come from their existing design and sculpting staff. The ROI on those people doing 40K and Warhammer is far more than they would get from a 6mm 40K game so there is little reason for the management to approve it.

If GW was going to release a boxed game it would be a rerelease of Blood Bowl. BB is far more popular than any of the SG titles and there would probably be a very good financial case for making a boxed set of that game.

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YES!

Or why they changed to strip bases instead of squared ones(during Epic 40K/E:A) ?
Making the mini`s base slightly slightly larger than the old ones,
nobody is that stupid.
THEY WANT TO FORCE US

Painting models on those square bases as a PITA. I don't miss them and it never invalidated your old bases.

That would be to increase sales. But to be clear I don't believe they will be releasing a 5:th edition. My predictions for the specialist games are dark, they'll probably get dropped in the long run (maybe not BB). I do sincerely hope though that, that is not the case.

It did invalidate old bases if assaults were your bread and butter for tournaments. The inflexibility of the rules for base to base contact means that strip bases placed on thier narrow edge is the only way to go for such units.

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