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[LIST IDEA] - Mechanicus Armoured Division

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:32 am 
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Just spotted that Macharius Omega is shown as DC3 on the 2nd page. Is this a typo given that standard Macharius have DC2 according to the 2012 Compendium.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:44 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:16 am 
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Deci-century would please me greatly, though contubernium would do as well if I can remember how to spell it... WI's suggestion would also do; after all, ten Russes would work out to fifty men - a demi-century like the Skitarii formation.

Thankls for that, BL. I had parts of that, but there are a few terms I'd not run across before. Will have to save it for perusal later.

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I the shark is too small to carry the number of vehicles you're giving them. According to the new Rogue Trader Battle Fleet Koronus, they are about 55m in length and only carry 50 men. It does give it the spacecraft rule which lets the thing operate as a skimmer in the atmosphere and exit to space, though I've only ever read of them being used in space to board enemy ships rather than land troops.

Perhaps a better unit would be the old Imperial Landers.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:15 am 
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Whats rogue trader battlefleet kronus?

BFG is clear that they're much bigger than thunderhawks.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:27 am 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
Whats rogue trader battlefleet kronus?

BFG is clear that they're much bigger than thunderhawks.

That maybe true I just don't see Sharks as a Lander in general let alone for the AM.

I like most of the brainstorming, hell I can play test this list more then the current AM one lol.

Think we really need to focus and cut the AM PDF list to just that a Forgeworld Panicking to an attack and rallying.

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except Speakertomachines already has a Skitarri PDF list - similar to the main but including critical infrastructure.

So we'd have
: Titan Legion
: Skitarri main
: Skittarrii pdf
: Skittarri TANKS
: (Skittari explorator)
: (Lego Cybernetica)

If we strip the tanks out of the main list to here and bung some mobile elements in the 'main' list it could represent an explorator force quite well I think. Fluffily, I'm also reasonably sure that explorator fleets are more common in battle then the pdfs are.
But it's all up to Vaaish, chief cat herder.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:06 pm 
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I see the main lists needed as:

- Titan Legion (Titans!)
- Skitarii PDF (Ordinatii & Defence Works - Wacky weapons & last ditch use of most powerful reserve units)
- Skitarii Armoured Division (Explorator - Better Equipped with more "regular" units)


Coincidentally, all 3 are needed for the Supplement.

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Evil and Chaos wrote:
I see the main lists needed as:

- Titan Legion (Titans!)
- Skitarii PDF (Ordinatii & Defence Works - Wacky weapons & last ditch use of most powerful reserve units)
- Skitarii Armoured Division (Explorator - Better Equipped with more "regular" units)


Coincidentally, all 3 are needed for the Supplement.

That's certainly 3 distinct AM lists, each with clear rationale and purposes, each with a clear identity. I am guessing that if Skitarii PDF is last ditch defence then Skitarii Armoured Division would be more of an organised offensive AM force.

(However I am not sure that an Armoured division fits my idea of an "Explorator" force. Unless it's intended as "reccon in force". Might be space to have a 4th AM Explorator force without Super Heavy tanks etc- possibly using Legio Cybernetica as scouting force?)

So what units could be removed from main Skitarii list? I am guessing Leman Russ executioners, Macharius, maybe Hydras?

Thanks

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PS: Don't forget the Knightworld from list of AM armies!


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Whats rogue trader battlefleet kronus?

BFG is clear that they're much bigger than thunderhawks.


it's a supplement to the Rogue Trader RPG. Has the most current and complete fluff for IN. Either way, the Shark is not an uber transport. It's specifically designed to breach ships not conduct planetary invasions and isn't a unit that should be here. I'm also not clear where you are getting the information that they are much larger than Thawks. BFG terms both are functionally the same. I would consider the SHark as a unit on par with the thunderhawk in capacity.

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I'm also not clear where you are getting the information that they are much larger than Thawks.

It could get a different name, it's just a generic medium sized lander.

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So what units could be removed from main Skitarii list? I am guessing Leman Russ executioners, Macharius, maybe Hydras?

I've attached my current ideas for what could happen with a PDF-focused list. Hopefully Vaaish can provide a good one anyway and I won't have to develop this one further for the supplement.

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Don't forget the Knightworld from list of AM armies!

Of course, you're right. :-)

I'm quite content with how the Knightworld list has come along, too.


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Adendum, the Curtain Walls could be said to block LOS to all Inf & AV's, but War Engines of 3cm tall or more could be partially seen (-1 to shoot at them). Plus a few more rules on what WE's can see over the walls and under what conditions.

The curtain walls comes from the story for Epic: Mechanicus, where they feature heavily at several points in the story where the PDF are engaged in defensive actions against the attacking Orks.

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I would be keen to playtest the Armoured Division list, and Speakertomachines list looks good (although am personally less likely to playtest it due to model availability). Will be good to get Vaaish's take on the various proposed lists.

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madd0ct0r wrote:
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LOL! Is it wrong that I think this is entirely plausible?

Interesting list, might have to look into it when the supplement is done as I like the units involved.

Theres a typo in the warlord datasheet, it should be tougher than a reaver.


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