I saw your earlier comment Dave. That in itself to me does nt necessarily mean infiltrate.

Well it did in my mind, and Mosc bought it. What can I say other than I'm a good sell?

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Living Ancestor - I'd go with 75pts and can only add to INF for starters.

Iron Eagle battlecannon - the only comparisons I can think of are the Fire Prism and Hammerhead Railgun. One is 35cm move/ 60cm shot, the other is 30cm move/ 75cm shot, with the to hit values on either side of the battlecannon. Given how few Iron Eagles there are in a unit and how much they cost, I'd say leave them as is with a view to changing range or price based on play testing.

Warrior 1/2 a bolter shots. For a race that's all about guns and BIG GUNS, having a core classic unit with such lame shooting does look out of place. At least give them one shot each, which will give the fm an extra 4 shots. I really can't see this breaking the formation.

Movement - I've played for and against the Dvergetal list a couple of times and the Squats lost each time. It wasn't because of extrahackdowns, it was simply from lack of movement. In all the games, the Squat player didn't get any deployed fms into the opponent's table half at the end of turn 3 and the only fms that made it were tunnelers, which were relatively easy to break all on their lonesome. The more mobile deployed units are easy to break and for everything else the Squat player has a very difficult tactical decision to make between shooting (advance and sustain makes little difference in terms of reaching the other table half) and running like crazy every turn just to get over the half way line. I'm sure there are ways to tailor the list around it, such as making a KoS like Squat army, but it's an incredible impediment to the Squat player. I also dislike the way that it impinges on basic EA rules (Scout ZoC and hackdown hits), although neither Morgan or I went out of our way to take advantage of that.
I can see the background reason for wanting a 10cm move, but there are other ways of limiting an army's speed (erm, Necrons can't march?). Something like a -1 to March actions would do the same thing (I dunno, Squats object to running as their little legs get tired easily?) without affecting standard rules and tactics.

Why?

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-1 to March actions would be interesting.

Because as we all know squats are wasted on cross country- they are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances!



If we took account basic foot speed then Eldar would have base move of 20cm. I would rather not see base movement of 10cm (or even worse 12cm) but would be happy with another simple mechanic that reflected their relatively slow movement.

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James

Cause if you still play Squats after all the abuse heaped on them by GW, you've got to be a fanatic? Most fanatics have opinions. Strong ones.

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they'd make awesome wrestlers though, what with their low centre of gravity. Beard might be a bit of a problem (more hand holds for opponents), but good luck getting a Squat to go bare cheeked (other than those of Scottish descent).

Matt, I'm always nervous when you talk about bare cheeks.

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I'm 1/8 Scottish BTW...

Let's put this idea in the "good back-up plan" stack. I think it does have merits if the 10cm move cannot be reconciled after a healthy round of playtests from multiple groups. Although I am concerned that it creates a special rule where once there was none.

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I doubt this will be any more difficult than Tau or Tyranids. At the end of the day there aren't too many "unifying" lists. Anything other than the final four still have endless circular debates. I'm shooting for a good, balanced, old school Squat list. If I can obtain that, I'm happy.

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I want to add something to the 12cm movement range.

GW always used the 5 cm ~ 2 Inch conversion for people who don't have a range ruler with the correct measurement system. All WH40K ranges are multiples of 2 (well, by now, they are even multiples of 6), and as you have noticed, all ranges in Epic are multiples of 5. So the conversion is always pretty straight forward.

Ok, so by now everyone should have a range ruler with cm on it, but I still believe that's one of the fundamental parts of GW rules that should never ever be broken no matter what.

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Colonelwicked - an interesting point. I'll consider it.

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Everyone, if I haven't said it explicitly enough, I would really appreciate some batreps. Full batreps are fantastic, but I also know that they are time consuming. So when you have a playtest where an issue (ex. 10cm move has caused hack downs) comes up, post a batrep summary on the forum, then detail that one problem. Maybe describe the circusmtances that led to the formations being in that position, take a picture or three, and the result of the issue. End the summary with how the game ended and what impact you believe the issue had on your game.

Specific measurements and numbers are appreciated! Stories are fun, but they help very little. "Half my formation got wiped out because I couldn't escape!" might mean that half the units were hacked down, or it might mean you lost 4 of 10 units in the assault and 1 more lost in a hack down. Pictures are helpful too.

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