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NetEA Army List Compendium 2012

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:52 am 
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Finally getting a chance to look at the Draft...

First few questions:

1) Where are the other 2 "Core" Inquisition lists? Malles and Xenos?
2) Why are the Grey Knight not in the Inquisition Section instead of SM?
3) Is it possible to have all the army list back to back and then list all the reference sheets?
4) Also wouldn't a Single Master Race sheet and a few army specific ones be better then repeating everything again and again?

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:44 am 
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1: they're not made/ready yet to my understanding
2: cause they're mainly marines, and mainly follow the pattern of a marine list?
3: that would pretty much suck for anyone trying to make a list and check the stats at the same time. which, in my experience, would be pretty much everyone.
4: see above. the idea is that if you want to make the "elysian" army, you can print out the elysian pages, and have ALL the information you need, without having to go hunting for stats for the lightning and the regular infantryman and whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:51 am 
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Jaggedtoothgrin wrote:
1: they're not made/ready yet to my understanding
2: cause they're mainly marines, and mainly follow the pattern of a marine list?
3: that would pretty much suck for anyone trying to make a list and check the stats at the same time. which, in my experience, would be pretty much everyone.
4: see above. the idea is that if you want to make the "elysian" army, you can print out the elysian pages, and have ALL the information you need, without having to go hunting for stats for the lightning and the regular infantryman and whatever.

1: I clearly remember seeing them and downloading them from the 2010 Drafts and before. Just as ready as the Heretics list IMO.
2: Meh, but there not like normal SM because their lame and more Inquisition ish.
3/4: Hogwash! But I guess so I prefer there other way on both but maybe that's just me.

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:19 am 
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oh, i remember them too
but, like many others (see: chem dogs, legio torva) they've been ignored, abandoned, orphanned, or just forgotten, and thus, havent been put into this list (there are also a number of newly created ones that it seems havent made the cut-off either)
hopefully with a new AC we'll get some movement on them.

i rather hope it is just you, such ungainly thinking has no place in this enlightened age. when the revolution comes you and your disorderly bunch will be first against the wall, you mark my words!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:53 pm 
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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
Finally getting a chance to look at the Draft...

First few questions:

1) Where are the other 2 "Core" Inquisition lists? Malles and Xenos?

They weren't submitted by an operating AC. the other two at least had some testing.

2) Why are the Grey Knight not in the Inquisition Section instead of SM?[/color][/quote]
Are they not Space Marines...? :)

3) Is it possible to have all the army list back to back and then list all the reference sheets?[/color][/quote]
Sure thing. Would you like to reformat everything...? :D As Jagged says, all lists are "self-contained."

4) Also wouldn't a Single Master Race sheet and a few army specific ones be better then repeating everything again and again? [/color][/quote]
Are you one of those players who likes to piss off your fellow gamers during a game trying to wade through all the racial entries trying to find what you want? Be my guest if you are but that would require you to, oh, I don't know, reformat everything :P :D


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:58 pm 
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I think the formatting used in the 2010 draft worked like a charm, but that's really a question for the 2013 army book.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:06 pm 
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I was speaking tongue in cheek to Angel. I like to stir him :)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:02 pm 
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regarding the OGBM list (and potentially the rest)

great gargant weapon profiles seem to be messed up
according to the 2010 compendium, the great gargant comes with
Gaze Of Mork
2 Big Guns
1 Soopagun (2BP)
1-2 Twin Soopaguns (3BP)
0-1 Lifta Droppa

the 2012 compendium has it written down a bit more confusingly. it appears you may not even get the Gaze if you take the lifta droppa, but in any case you appear to lose the 2BP soopagun if you take the two twins, or both twins, if you take the 2BP one and the lifta droppa (so either 6BP, or 2BP and the TK shot, which means even the regular gargant outguns this one!)

its also not entirely clear what constitutes the arm and belly weapons (and thus, which can be swapped for the kustom upgrades. i assume its only the soopaguns, not the gaze and big guns, but its not that laid out)

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
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Jaggedtoothgrin wrote:
i rather hope it is just you, such ungainly thinking has no place in this enlightened age. when the revolution comes you and your disorderly bunch will be first against the wall, you mark my words!

Only if you can find us! Shadows are deep Sir..... :D

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Are you one of those players who likes to piss off your fellow gamers during a game trying to wade through all the racial entries trying to find what you want? Be my guest if you are but that would require you to, oh, I don't know, reformat everything :P :D

Only simple minded lap dogs of a barbaric and craze "Primarch" would get annoyed at a opponent for being thoroughly informed and organized. And with all this whining about formating you act like you did it all by yourself or something! Ha! ::) ;D :D

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:49 am 
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I've checked the Imperial Guards and Titan lists, and these comments are also a mix of typos and noted inconsistencies. I refer to the printed pagination, not the digital.

IMPERIAL GUARD - General:
Since the commisar rule is printed as a common rule, you should check every army list for mention of it, or changes to it.

STEEL LEGION
p.43 0-1 Orbital Support: Emperor Class Battleship is listed at 150 points.
p.44 Imperial Guard Commander should have Armour 6+ and CC5+.
p.44 Valkyrie's Multilaser is listed as AT5+

BARAN SIEGEMASTERS
p.46 Shouldn't the effects of the different Fortified Positions be listed somewhere?
p.47 Imperial Guard Commander should have Armour 6+ and CC5+.

DEATH KORPS
p.49 Death Korps Support Squad misses its Autocannon statline
p.49 Medusa Platform misses its Firepower stat. I also wonder if the Range is correct (60 cm?)
p.49 Death Korps Gorgon Siege Transporter lists an alternative FF stat in brackets. I assume it depends on the choice of weaponry. If so, it should be mentioned in the notes.

MINERVAN TANK LEGION
I see some lists to the Raiders' version, I have been using. I assume they are intentional, but have the Chimera variants been ditched?
p.51 Tank Squadron upgrade cost looks weird. 235 for 3 Demolishes? Should probably be 140.
p.51 0-1 Orbital Support: Emperor Class Battleship is listed at 150 points.
p.51 Armoured Regiment Commisars rule could be deleted.
Ref sheet: Valkyrie is missing (Stormtrooper upgrade)

CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS
p.54 Whiteshield Companies have two conflicting restrictions: 0-1 AND 0-1/Infantry Company
p.54 Cadian Commissars special rule could be deleted.
p.55 Imperial Guard Commander should have Armour 6+ and CC5+.
p.55 Cadian Valkyrie's Multilaser is listed as AT5+

CATACHAN DEATHWORLD
p.57 0-1 Orbital Support: Emperor Class Battleship is listed at 150 points.
p.57 Oops! Sorry, Sir! Special rule should be re-written to reflect the current common rule. "...1 Commissar for every 1000 points..."
p.58 Imperial Guard Commander should have Armour 6+ and CC5+
p.58 Catachan Valkyrie's Multilaser is listed as AT5+

ELYSIAN DROP TROOPS
p.59 Tauros Squadron: Inconsistent use of name. The formation refers to "Venator", the reference sheets says ""Tauros Venator".
p.59 0-1 Orbital Support: Emperor Class Battleship is listed at 150 points
p.59 Elysian Commisar's rule could be deleted.
p.60 Elysian Commander has Leader (may be intentional)
p.60 Elysian Hardened Veterans lack Sniper ability on Sniper Rifles
p.60 Elysian Valkyrie has Multilaser listed as AT5+
p.60 Valkyrie Sky Talon misses Armour, CC and FF values
p.60 Drop Sentinels, Tauros, Tauros Venator, Elysian Valkyrie, Sky Talon and Vendetta has Iron Discipline in their unit notes. The common rule has a wider audience.

HARAKONI WARHAWKS
p.61 Harakoni Strike Company. If I take the first option, do I miss out on the GravChutes in the Free option?
p.61 Close Air Support Company Upgrade. I should re-write it as Vultures OR Punishers. Replacing an addition is not as neat.
p.61 Harakoni Veterans. Look expensive. More Veterans or cheaper cost I suspect.
p.61 Tank Hunter Squadron. Unclear if it is 4 Vultures or Vendettas in any combination or if it is 4 Vultures or 4 Vendettas. I assume the former, but could use the common IG Artillery phrase.
p.61 0-1 Orbital Support: Emperor Class Battleship is listed at 150 points
p.61 Fighter Squadron. If the last option refers to the middle, I would use an OR statement and just list the cost.
p.62 Harakoni Commander. If this is a regular IG Commander it should have Armour 6+ and CC5+
p.62 Support Sentinel misses its Armour, CC and FF values
p.62 Valkyrie's Multilaser is listed as AT5+

SARANES IMPERIAL CRUSADE
p.64 Upgrade options for Griffon Battery, Hellhound Squadron and Tank Squadron do not follow the Steel Legion changes (may be intentional)
p.64 Mechanized Infantry Platoon. The cost does not include the Chimeras. Should be +175 points.
p.64 Terminator Detachment costs 325 points (may be intentional)
p.64 Assault Detachment costs 150 (may be intentional)
p.64 Assault Detachment upgrades does not reflect the new Land Speeder costs (may be intentional)
p.64 Devastator Detachment costs 225 (may be intentional)
p.64 Orbital Support: Emperor Class Battleship is listed at 150 points, and should be listed as a 0-1 option
p.64 Thunderbolt Fighters should probably be 3 given the cost.
p.64 Marauder Bombers should probably be 2 given the cost.
p.64 Warlord and Reaver uses the old cost.
p.65 Imperial Guard Commander should have Armour 6+ and CC5+

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:24 am 
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CATACHANS
p.57-58 Catachan Sentinels have a points' increase and a listed Chain saw. I suspect changes to FF or CC stats as well.

ADEPTUS MECHANICUS LISTS
General: All lists refer to Titan Weapons as Battle OR Scout Titan Weapons, yet the header under Titan Weapons says...
Scout and Battle Titan Weapons
followed by...
Battle Titan Weapons

General: The Warlord and Reaver costs add up to the 850 and 650 mark, and is probably intended so.

WAR GRYPHONS
p.69 0-1 Orbital Support: The Ark Mechanicus is listed at 150 points
p.69 Thunderbolt Fighters follow the IG cost (may be intentional)
p.71 Due to weird coloured line braks, the Volcano Cannon is listed among the Support Missiles

ADEPTUS MECHANICUS PDF
p.72 Praetorians: The Ordinatus Minoris upgrade is italicized and needs a "+" before its cost
p.72 Thunderbolts follow the IG cost (may be intentional)
p.74 Due to weird coloured line braks, the Volcano Cannon is listed among the Support Missiles

HOUSE HYPERION
p.75 Custodians Support Formation suffers from the "weird coloured line break" syndrome
p.75-76. Inconsistent names. Formation upgrades says "Baron Knight", reference sheet says "Knight Baron".
p.75 Thunderbolts follow the Space Marines cost (may be intentional)
P.S. Volcano Cannon does not suffer from previous problems.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:57 pm 
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The critical hit effect on all Warlord entries is messed up. The Banelord is mentioned instead.

Example page 7:
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Critical Hit Effect: Immediately moves 3D6cm in a random direction. If this move takes the Banelord into impassable terrain or another unit it stops when it contacts the obstruction and suffers an extra point of damage. Any units run over or into take a hit on a D6 roll of 4+.


This should be the same text like the Reaver, Plasma Reactor damaged etc.

Btw, why are only loyal titans going boom while the chaotic counterpart just jumps around like a rabbit on crack? (And yes, I have already lost a Warlord Titan this way ;) )

Otherwise I have not seen any non-announced errors.

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Not sure if already mentioned, but the Chimedon stats are missing in the Adeptus Mechanicus list.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:36 am 
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In the adeptus ministorum list.

The unit 'Sisters of Battle' is often called 'Battle Sisters' in the transport notes. Really minor I know but inconsistent all the same.

The Emperor's Chapel transport notes refer to '4 Adeptus Sororitas units', it should be '4 infantry units of any type'


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:16 am 
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Found another typo in the Adeptus Mechanicus lists (p.71, 74, 77). The Vortex Missile is listed as "BP3" instead of "3BP".

INQUISITION ARMIES
Given that the Ordo Malleus list uses the same structure as the Ordo Hereticus list, I fail to see why it should not be included. I know that the Ordo Xenos list is part of the Xenos project.

ADEPTUS MINISTORIUM
p.79 The Hunter upgrade costs +50 (may be intentional, but no stats changes)
p.79 Thunderbolts use the IG cost (may be intentional)

ORDO HERETICUS
p.83 Glavian Pilot gives the Gun-cutter Fighter-Bomber instead of Bomber. Should be mentioned in the notes.
p.83 The Inquisitor is not a character, but an infantry unit. Stats should read: Type INF, Speed 15 cm, Armour 4+, CC 4+, FF 4+.
p.83 Inquisition Valkyrie's Multilaser is listed as AT5+

CHAOS ARMIES
General: Flamers are noted as FF6+ instead of FF4+ and lacks their EA(+1) note.

BLACK LEGION
p.87 Icon Bearer: Remove "each" after cost
p.87 Obliterators: Add "each" after cost
p.87-88 Sorceror Lord is listed as separate entry in reference sheet, thus making it hard to obtain through upgrades unless you know it
p.88 Chaos Vindicator and Defiler is listed in the same "colour bar"
p.90 Flamers' stats

STIGMATUS COVENANT
p.91 Icon Bearer costs +50 (as in Black Legion list). May be part of the last Chaos changes, used to be +40.
p.91 Contagion Towers: Remove "each" after cost
p.91 Slaanesh Daemon Scout Titans: Add "each" after cost
p.91 Defilers: Remove "per units" after "points"
p.91 Traitor Sentinels: Change to "4" Sentinels
p.94 Flamers' stats

VRAKSIAN TRAITORS
Some unusual costs (compared to Steel Legion). May be intentional, but I'll list them.
p.91 Tank Companies for 600
p.91 Artillery Company for 600
p.91 Tank Squadron upgrade for +150
p.91 Hellhound Squadron for +100

p.91 Does the Supreme Commander need the Psyker upgrade? Can it not be included in the stats like Court of the Young King?

DEATH GUARDS
p.98 Plague Bearers are listed as 15 points each. May be intended.

THOUSAND SONS
p.106 Flamers' stats

ALPHA LEGION
p.114 Traitor Griffon and Traitor Hydra shares the same "colour bar"

DAEMON WORLD
p.117 Flamers' stats

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