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The new TECS and Human Chairs

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:02 pm 
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I can't imagine how there could be a conflict of interest. Without a doubt you're the person with the most experience for the job.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:52 pm 
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I agree.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:44 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:46 pm 
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I imagine that might have been more aimed at me (and Meph)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:47 pm 
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Or perhaps the process?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:59 pm 
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No no, I think it's clear the comment was aimed at Steve and Mephiston.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:06 am 
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I personally like the fact that EUK and NetEA are more closely integrated than in the past. While the two groups have somewhat different aims, I think some standardization between the two organizations is called for. Keeping unit profiles the same between the two would be an admirable goal, for instance. Of course the differing development cycles complicates this aim, but in principle it should be possible.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:17 am 
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If anyone has any issues regarding the appointment or development of any of the NetERC, then they are welcome to PM me directly. I have a minimal involvement with the selection process now that things are getting back on track in terms of progress and planning.

However, while I can understand some hesitation regarding the potentiall dual roles of members belonging to both NetERC and EpicUK, I am willing to let the actions of the NetERC speak for themselves in the coming developments. Also, I think that it will be beneficial to have EpicUK representation on the NetERC not only to inform the EpicUK group to better allign the two efforts where appropriate, but also to stop the 'reinvention of the wheel where development decisions were made - for example, 'we decided to do it this way at EpicUK because..... although this may not apply to NetEA'.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:22 am 
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actually, the comment was directed primarily at chroma and steve, who are both primary ACs and the the corresponding development chairs for that army, which makes their ability to perform any sort of unbiased oversight pretty much invalid.
to a lesser extent, it refers to moscovians publishing and oversighting the suppliments, and daves oversighting everything and being the most aggressively changing AC we currently have.

the whole (seemingly very one sided) entanglement with the eUK is an entirely seperate and serious problem aswell. but was not the focus of the comment. i wouldnt call that a conflict of interests so much.

but being both the administrator of a section of the game, and then also the person who arbitrates disputes regarding the administrators of that section of the game, represents a very clear conflict of interest, and i am, as mentioned, not keen on that at all. i have no particular beef with the people involved, but the principle of the thing seems to be pretty hopelessly damaged.

I also feel that the whole proceedure could have been much more transparent, and the fact that the ERC selection appears to be the same old faces does nothing to dispell the appearance of an insular, self selecting old boys club.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:09 am 
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While I don't wholly agree with JTG, I do think most of his points are fair (if not as calamitous as he suggests).

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:27 am 
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Jaggedtoothgrin wrote:
I also feel that the whole proceedure could have been much more transparent, and the fact that the ERC selection appears to be the same old faces does nothing to dispell the appearance of an insular, self selecting old boys club.


What you see as an old boys club, I see as the most experienced people being put in charge. It would be downright stupid to put a "fresh face" on the ERC when we got no clue who he is or what he wants.

I do see your point about conflicts of interests when the ACs and the body overseeing the ACs (the ERC) are largely the same people, but, given that there is one AC per army but 5 (I think?) people on the ERC should be more than enough to offset that imbalance. Let's say Dave brings a controversial change to the ERC. What does it matter if he has a vote? There are four others there who can vote him down if he's gone off the deep end. And if it's a hotly debated issue with a roughly even split, it SHOULD be the ACs vote that is the deciding factor. Developing an army shouldn't be the work of a committee, we have ACs for a reason - they're here to take advice, but should ultimatly make the decisions.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:51 am 
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Jaggedtoothgrin wrote:
but being both the administrator of a section of the game, and then also the person who arbitrates disputes regarding the administrators of that section of the game, represents a very clear conflict of interest, and i am, as mentioned, not keen on that at all. i have no particular beef with the people involved, but the principle of the thing seems to be pretty hopelessly damaged.


I have to agree; I really thought we were trying to avoid people being ACs and ERC members.

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zombocom wrote:
Jaggedtoothgrin wrote:
but being both the administrator of a section of the game, and then also the person who arbitrates disputes regarding the administrators of that section of the game, represents a very clear conflict of interest, and i am, as mentioned, not keen on that at all. i have no particular beef with the people involved, but the principle of the thing seems to be pretty hopelessly damaged.


I have to agree; I really thought we were trying to avoid people being ACs and ERC members.

Its one thing to keep someone that was already set in that spot like Chroma but I would rather see new appointment's following the new "protocols" and find another person to Oversees Human races or at least a Xenos AC member.

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All of the candidates we had for Human chair were Human list ACs to one degree or another. Not much we can do about that. However, it is a "committee", an AC/ERC isn't going to push through changes without at least consulting the rest of the committee. Even if it comes to a vote we can have them sit out and have CS come in to vote so we have an odd number.

As to being more transparent, what were you hoping for? People put their names forward and we talked about them in private. Doing it in a place where the whole community could see would risk people not being honest, hurt feelings and bad blood. All those don't particularly bind a community together.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:26 pm 
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Dave wrote:
As to being more transparent, what were you hoping for? People put their names forward and we talked about them in private. Doing it in a place where the whole community could see would risk people not being honest, hurt feelings and bad blood. All those don't particularly bind a community together.


Nor do decisions from on-high, with no chance for public discussion.

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