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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:33 pm 
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No TRCs Caliban Predator MkIIIc had a turret mounted Autocannon and Plasma Cannons in the sponsons.
SO basically a Predator Destructor which swaps the Heavy Bolters for Plasma Cannons.

He invented it because there are lots of old E40k era Predators with plasma sponsons around.

A Plasma turret is as out of the question as an Inferno Gun turret for the Salamanders. They too have "only" Heavy Flamer sponsons.

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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:16 pm 
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BlackLegion wrote:
No TRCs Caliban Predator MkIIIc had a turret mounted Autocannon and Plasma Cannons in the sponsons.
SO basically a Predator Destructor which swaps the Heavy Bolters for Plasma Cannons.

Isn't that what I said? :D ::) ;)

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He invented it because there are lots of old E40k era Predators with plasma sponsons around.

A Plasma turret is as out of the question as an Inferno Gun turret for the Salamanders. They too have "only" Heavy Flamer sponsons.

Well poop then. I guess we can add a lame Autocannon variant but I'm not too keen on the idea if were still stuck with Plasma Slow Firing mathematics.
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:15 pm 
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Land Speeder Tempest
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Light Vehicle 35cm 4+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Tempest Missile Launcher 45cm AP4+/AT5+ - [i[and[/i]
30cm AA6+ -
Assault Cannon 30cm AP5+/AT5+ -

Notes: Skimmer.

Upgrade: Replace any Land Speeder for one Land Speeder Tempest each: +25pts each.

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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:09 pm 
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Well that's damn funny. 30cm AA on a 45cm gun? Who does that?!? Why not 45cm? So I assume we want only one per formation right? Your wording kinda makes me wonder if you want more? So will add this to the 2 Hunter option? Yes?
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
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It's because ground weapons substract 15cm from their weapon range.
I just copy-pasted the Raven Guard stats.
Tempest Upgrade only for Ravenwing Support formation (the all Land Speeder one).
All other formations will have to do with up to 2 Hunters.

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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:19 pm 
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BlackLegion wrote:
It's because ground weapons substract 15cm from their weapon range.
I just copy-pasted the Raven Guard stats.
Tempest Upgrade only for Ravenwing Support formation (the all Land Speeder one).
All other formations will have to do with up to 2 Hunters.

You don't think the Attack formation should get it too?
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:28 pm 
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You should make the tempest upgrade more expensive otherwise it completely overshadows the typhoon. It is clearly better, having better shooting and an AA shot as well. The R.Guard list made it 35 points. As an upgrade to non-landspeeder formations as it replaces a Land Speeder they are 75 points each.
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:38 pm 
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OK +35pts then. Better to start high :)
No to the Ravenwing Assault (or is it really Attack in the english Codex?) as they already have "upgraded" Land Speeders. And we would have two different points values for the Tempest if we would allow it. KISS :)

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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:54 pm 
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BlackLegion wrote:
OK +35pts then. Better to start high :)
No to the Ravenwing Assault (or is it really Attack in the english Codex?) as they already have "upgraded" Land Speeders. And we would have two different points values for the Tempest if we would allow it. KISS :)

I'm fairly certain its Attack? lol. We English speakers are simple I guess lol.

I think we be ok with 25 in the DA list since there are no Typhoon's. Also it would be the only non 25 point item which I don't really prefer. I'd rather got 2 for 75 if there a real issue having it 25.

Plus the Support formation can be all Tornadoes so we would be upgrading an upgrade already?
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:02 pm 
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KISS indeed - LS tempest AA fits the theme+style of the RG but doesn't for the DA. Its just an unecessary extra feature - and will also male one less reason to take marine formations

Just drop the hunter price - KISS

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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:06 pm 
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KISS indeed - LS tempest AA fits the theme+style of the RG but doesn't for the DA. Its just an unecessary extra feature - and will also male one less reason to take marine formations

Just drop the hunter price - KISS

So you rather see 50 point Hunter and 2 for 75? Then seeing another AA option? I don't see how a Land Speeder is unDA.

BL and Dobbsy? What do you guys think? Cheaper Hunter or Tempest Trial?
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:18 pm 
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0-2 at 50pts each

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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
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Trial the Tempest. If it really leads to Tempest spam then we could revert to cheap Hunters.

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If priced appropriatley it shouldn't lead to tempest spam as the tempest is not a particularly good AA platform. Though Steve54 may be right is it really necessary for a DA list to have them?
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 Post subject: Re: AoC's Dark Angels Variant List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:10 pm 
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BlackLegion wrote:
Trial the Tempest. If it really leads to Tempest spam then we could revert to cheap Hunters.

Nobody mentioned spam - just that its an unecessary addition+complication

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