Ok i surrender

I would re-read it for myself but for the next 2 weeks my books are 500km away from me

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a few comments:

Spirit Stones has long been associated with Leader (still is for EpicUK I think), whereas Exarch = Inspiring. I'd stick to those conventions to avoid confusing people if possible

Nice to see that the Shadow Weaver platforms have some stats as they're really pretty models. However, I'd avoid main artillery style stats and just give them a single AP/AT value (same with the vibrocannons). The 1BP alone might not seem much, but you can take 5 of them plus some disposable Guardians for 200pts - 5BP (just 2 templates right? no extra BM?) is a lot for that, especially infantry that can hide in buildings. Given that they're supposed to be a smaller same tech version of the 'spinner family, I'd start with some Disrupt, drop the indirect and put the range at 30cm (same as other platforms). Then pick some stats like, I dunno, AP4/AT6 (or AP5/AT6, or AP4 only). If that seems kinda crappy after playtesting, perhaps add Indirect back. For the Vibrocannon, keep the range and Ignore Cover at AP5/ AT6 or perhaps just AP5. Disrupt fits the fluff, so that should stay too, I don't feel too strongly over it. I think consistency is good here, both for in game ease of use and for playtesting - so all the support weapons stay at 30cm range and need a 5+ to hit. If a 4+ is used, lose the AT to compensate.

The sonic lances would do well at 30cm, to help balance the other stats. I don't think Lance is warranted - Disrupt, Ignore Cover is already pretty powerful. As for the BP count, I understand the desire to have one Revenant kicking out a bunch of fire, but this weapon also needs to be considered in the context of Revenant pairs. At 2BP per weapon, you're looking at 8BP and 3 templates plus 1 extra BM and no penalty for cover (which would help with doubling and shooting). Add Disrupt to that and it's a killer - you could easily take out/ break/ incapacitate large expensive or multiple smaller fms per turn. 8 MW5 to MW6 shots (as you're most likely doubling Revenants into and out of cover) per turn don't really compare. I'd go with the 3BP per titan option to start with, with or without 45cm range (although I think 30cm is more warranted). I have some of these sonic lances thanks to semaj so I'd love to field them.

I don't have a problem with a pair of revenants dropping three templates at 30cm. It's not like two revenants cost the same as a single revenant - you do pay for that extra fire power. And to make comparisons fair, two revenants with sonic lances will most likely still be doubling, making those three templates hit on AP5/AT6, all of which will allow a regular save. If that is too powerful for the points cost, then loose the ignore cover and/or disrupt. At 3BP per titan, they won't be hitting enough of anything to make it worth taking the sonic lances.

I'll be playing a 3500pt game vs. Codex Astartes Marines this evening, and posting a battle report. Would you like the results reposted here, or a link?

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Linky to battle report.
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=21740

If you've got any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them, but I put some general feedback at the end.

Overall, we both liked how the ETC had changed (even if the result was a bit one-sided!)

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I played 5 '3000pts' games with my new Fir Dinillain (Saim-Hann titan clan) :
Phantom (Tremor + Fist)
Phantom (dual Pulsar)
2* 1 Revenant (dual Pulsar)
2* Wind Riders
7 Rangers
Vampire Hunter

4 scenarios were from Total War, and the last classic Tournament scenario.

So ... it didn't turn well for my titan clan. The vicory conditions were not favorable to me, but I found my list laked of punch.
The dual Pulsar Phantom sucks ... really. I'm still convinced the pulsar should have an alternative fire, like it had in the 1st Epic editions, making more (but less powerfull) shots.

My list was from the previous version of the Fir Iolarion.
I wonder why the Wind Riders have been removed ? They can act like scouts, with enough speed to match the rythm of titans.

How did they fair in the Tournament game you played? As you say Scenarios are not favourable. Also why did they lack punch? Bad dice rolls? Can you give examples? "They suck" isn't much info for Angel to use.

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Some specific observations. I hasten to add these aren't criticisms; merely musings:

• The Warlock almost always seems to be the Break Their Spirit formation.
• The Power Fist is the only way to get actual AT/AP fire (everything else being either MW, BP etc.
• It seems odd to me to get Wraithlords but not Wraithguard.
• Using the terms 'Exarch' and 'Autarch' seems off to me.
• It's reassuring that the current 40k Forgeworld rules seem to match the Epic rules closely, including Starcannon shots on the close combat weapon.

My hopes:

• One of the pilot upgrades to be renamed 'Steersman', since it's been in the background since the initial iteration, and still exists (viz. the current FW rules).
• The Power Fist to be renamed Titan Close Combat Weapon or something, to allow for blade conversions etc. in the future (as per the new model) while still allowing the original fist.
• Perhaps playtest Revenant Titans being able to garrison?
• Playtest Titan Pulsar at 100cm range.

There's a typo in the notes for each titan: 'Titans may also shoot there their weapon in any direction.'

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