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Red Corsairs (or generic Chaos Space Marines)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:51 am 
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@Havocs: What about 45pts or 40 pts for them instead of the current 50pts?
Thoughts?


No. They are under-costed as is.

I daresay playtests will show that they will be taken at 50 points without a problem.

I'm going to try and use Havocs this weekend at 50pts (it'll be a garrisoned, blitz guard formation with a couple of Obliterators on Overwatch) instead of my usual Chaos Spawn upgrade.

I can see them being artilleried but they should be good against anything that heads their way.

I don't mind a change to Renegade Warband but I'm not sure it's really necessary.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:25 am 
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Are you on Vassal at all? If so, I would like a game some time - no matter what armies (RC should be one of them however), just a get together and a g'day over a rip-roaring game :)

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 Post subject: Re: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:47 am 
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I'm going to try and use Havocs this weekend at 50pts (it'll be a garrisoned, blitz guard formation with a couple of Obliterators on Overwatch)


I was thinking about this.

The formation may actually be better served as a DTF guard for the following reasons:
- This allows them to be a back up for shooting at the enemy in just about any turn as they will not be sitting on the back edge of the table
- The formation on Overwatch closer to the opponent will be psychological distratction
- It will force an opponent to risk getting shot or take another route
- Given a Daemonic Pact, the Daemons they summon can act as a 'meat shield' to incoming shots and therefore not attract BM
- Greater coverage for the AA (front and back) if the Oblits are taken.

Yes, a good Blitz Guard, yet an even better DTF formation.

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 Post subject: Re: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:56 pm 
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So any last suggestions before i send the list to Chroma?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:26 pm 
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What does the list look like now? Are you making any changes to 3.2?
That would help to know if I have any new suggestions? :)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Only this:

Proposed changes for V3.21:
- Blood Slaughterer Pack increased to 5 units and cost decreased to 225pts
- Blood Slaughterer upgrade decreased to +50pts per unit

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BlackLegion wrote:
Only this:
Proposed changes for V3.21:
- Blood Slaughterer upgrade decreased to +50pts per unit


This is a good change and brings it in line with the World Eaters.

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 Post subject: Re: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:01 pm 
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I forgot:

List updated to V3.21 with the mentioned changes above.

As always downloadable in the first posting.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:21 pm 
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I have to add my thanks to the developers and testers of this list, its truely a masterpiece.

It contains a load of great toys that the standard lists dont (brass scorpions, thunderhawks etc) and has much better layout/choices, specifically the standard CSM retinues allowing you to upgrade members to cult marines/havocs, the standard lists only allow additions which make the formations big and clunky, this method of upgrade allowing 4/4 CSM/cult marines is much nicer imo, it keeps the formations to a manageable size and cost.

Definately the premier CSM list in terms of flexibility to build the army you want rather than the army the list wants you to have.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:27 am 
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The v3.21 black and white pdf doesnt contain the special rules, this isnt normally a problem as things like daemon summoning etc can be found in other NetEA lists. However there is one thing that I cant clarify using the other NetEA lists and that is:

What can a Chaos Thunderhawk transport? Specifically, can it transport a Daemon Prince?
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 Post subject: Re: [fanlist] Red Corsairs (or general Chaos Marines)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:08 pm 
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The Chaos Thunderhawk can transport anything reasonable as a loyal Thunderhawk.
Not thought about Daemon Prince but i think he should count as the same way as Dreadnoughts.

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BlackLegion wrote:
Not thought about Daemon Prince but i think he should count as the same way as Dreadnoughts.

I think that is reasonable also.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:33 pm 
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V3.22 uploaded in the first posting.

Changes:
Chaos Navy aircrafts stats and points cost changed to match the Black Legion armylist stats and points cost.

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Thanks for the continued work BlackLegion!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:55 pm 
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I live to serve :D

If there are any more differences in points cost with chared units to the Black Legion army then let me know please :)

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