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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:21 pm 
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I should really really finish this.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:25 pm 
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carlos wrote:
First 90% takes 10% of the time, last 10% takes 90% of the time?


Definitely. The thing is completely usable, and everything's done except the options menu, but that's vital and I've no idea how to code it. :/


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:06 pm 
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Why not just restrict Warhounds to pairs ie you can buy 2 or 4 or 6

Therefore at 3k you could have 2 singletons (even at 275) or 2 pairs (at 500).

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:14 pm 
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Because that doesn't limit much. The standard list has 2 singletons already, and it just guarantees that people who previously took one warhound will now take 2.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:17 pm 
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Sometimes I like to take one reaver and one warhound In 3k. :-)

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Evil and Chaos wrote:
Sometimes I like to take one reaver and one warhound In 3k. :-)

Unbelievable !! you just pick a list that tramples all over the fluff ;D ;)

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Because that doesn't limit much. The standard list has 2 singletons already, and it just guarantees that people who previously took one warhound will now take 2.

Well there has just been 3 pages of justification for the massive change to no singletons. This would restrict you to 2 warhounds at 3k and scale up

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Steve54 wrote:
Evil and Chaos wrote:
Sometimes I like to take one reaver and one warhound In 3k. :-)

Unbelievable !! you just pick a list that tramples all over the fluff ;D ;)

Everyone knows that reavers only ever deploy at battlegroup strength or greater. All titans are henceforth limited to amtl armies only. ON MY ORDERS.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:39 pm 
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It's the "sometimes" that's the problem, not the Reaver and the Warhound.

I dunno. Maybe EUK Marine players really love them some Titans. But it seems odd if two single Warhounds happens all the time while Reavers, Warlords, and Warhound pairs are rare or nonexistent.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:45 pm 
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The reasoning is very simple actually; at 275 they are amoung the cheaper formations and will never be the BTS, they are faster than LR, more resilient*** have MW shots for RA targets and help keep a high activatioin count. They provide excellent 'alpha strike' capabilities to take out enemy threats in the opponents rear etc, and are cheap enough to be to sacrificable if necessary.

Pairs at 500 points are twice as powerfull, but threaten to be the BTS unless the marines take a second, even more expensive formation, which in turn means that the activation count is reduced from and average of ~ 10-12, to an average of ~ 8-10. Being a single formation constrains the number of targets that can be attacked with MW, though it also allows the player to 'swap the leader' retaining their battlefield presence a little longer.

It is the severely constrained activation count that is most concerning, hence my prerference for 0-1 singlton Warhound 275, pair of WHounds 500, which does not constrain the Marine player as much if he needs his "Warhound fix" :)


***Being Fearless and have shields means that being broken is actually an advantage, allowing them to be moved where they can still threaten when they rally in the next turn, while preventing Hackdown hits etc


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:51 pm 
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The problem is that 50 points is still not enough of a markup. It's basically 50 points for another activation. That's a pretty good deal.

I think 300 may be a better price point for them. But we shall have to see.

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No doubt people may also start to fire up their Vassal engines as well... :P


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:07 am 
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OK so no one's really happy with my approach to the Warhound situation so for now please trial all the other armour/tactical proposals in your games(options 1-4). Please feel free to try the Warlord at 825 and Thunderbolts at 175 as well but ignore the Scout proposal as that can be left alone for now.

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Just to be clear - these are NOT going into the coming army book, correct?

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Not unless they get tested well first. What is it we have .... 4 months?


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