Not sure "Chroma's habit of introducing mistakes" is the way you should be phrasing it. The drafts were exactly that, and very few typos got caught by anyone... IIRC. Full docs never made the light of day because the drafts never got proofed properly and people started taking the drafts as gospel.

Agreed, in such a huge amount of documentation it is inevitable that mistakes creep in.
When making the Handbook 08 (which is much smaller) many people fed back any mistakes they spotted, and some went through in a lot of detail which I was very grateful for. Even so a few mistakes remained (e.g. IIRC, Ork Landas rockets, one of the eldar titans).

The NetEA Army Compendium will have more mistakes because of the size in addition to less proofreading of parts, but these will be noticed and recorded as people use it and be corrected next time around. The original published EA rules by GW also had lots of mistakes, same deal. Mistakes are an inevitability in any complex process, and they do little to devalue the great efforts by many people, and the especially great efforts by a few such as Chroma. They are also not a reason for repeated delays in releasing a final document.

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I have now added a sticky thread dealing with nominations for the NetERC. While this is ongoing, I will be contacting the ACs to ensure that they are all up to date and getting a list together of exactly where we are with various lists. Following this, I will put together a schedule with a set of deadlines, and attempt to provide some focus in terms of what should be done first, etc.

Thanks for your patience with this.

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well, it's happened several times and for a couple of them (Ulthwe SR and Black Guardian initiative) he took more than 8mths to even reply to the Draft thread to say that it was a mistake. During those 8mths I had to argue several times that the "Draft" that he put out was wrong.

So, perhaps I should rephrase it as "Chroma's habit of making inevitable if serious mistakes and then not responding to calls to correct them for long enough to cause issues at tournaments, to the point where the "mistakes" become cannon"

Better?

I have to say I think this is a course that will only produce division and friction - especially if whoever gets most nominations is overlooked.
Is Neal staying? If he is then he should ask people he thinks have the requisite attributes and he can work with

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Which is the way that it has worked in the past which has lead to people feeling that the system is arranged behind closed doors.

Neal is staying, and I am chatting with all three NetERC members via email as well.

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I don't think there should be nominations put forward for new members of the netERC, I think it would be better if people put their own names into the hat for the posts.

Mainly because of all the furore and discord over the past few weeks about commitment and time given by the existing members/AC's .

Those nominated may not have or believe they have the spare time, energy, gaming knowledge or skills for the post but still feel they have to try.

I think players should put themselves forward, as it is only they who know if they have the time, energy, gaming knowledge and skills to commit to this endeavor.

I think it''s time players either put up or shut up with regards to the netERC .

I'd like to see players put themselves forwards, followed by a democratic community vote.

But then, I'm an idiot who believes that people are generally pretty sensible. :-)

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I did reply to the nominations thread, but I think the remaining ERC selecting the best person(s) from those who have put themselves forward is the best option, as previously.

Perhaps the nominations thing can inform that slightly, since it's there and some apperently asked for it, but forming a team of the best people who work together well is far more important than transparency or popular opinion.

Well, my own mantra on management is that if you cant make everyone happy, everyone being hacked off means that you are at least being equal!



This is, partially, how it will work. The NetERC will pick the member, guided by the nominations and seconds of the candidates. At the very least, it will inform them about who has the community popularity.



Believe it or not, this has been floated in current discussions with the guys. There is something to be said for getting people from different playing cultures and different perspectives, but I would be a little uneasy specifically prescribing this.

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Hello everyone:

I apologize for not checking in sooner. I've been in contact with a handful of people outside the boards about the NetERC and the army compendium, but I really should have come on here and let the broader community know what was up.

I've only skimmed the thread, but I think I see a few major themes so I'd like to address them.

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First, my personal status - please do not interpret this as a pity party. I only want to explain that I have had real issues to deal with, not just "meh, I don't feel like checking Epicomms." I appreciate well-wishes, but please don't chime in with a chorus of them.

I've had a few major issues come up in rapid succession. We are short-handed at work due to a resignation and the unexplained inability of our HR department to process hiring paperwork despite an offer and acceptance weeks ago. My wife is dealing with a similar situation at her office, so we are juggling "who can work late tonight" multiple days per week. Several family members or close family friends have had major illnesses. There have been the obvious family obligations rising out of that and as far as prognosis, there has been one death several weeks ago and one more that is likely in less than a year. My kids have been at the peak of all the normal extracurricular activity seasons, which sounds sort of lame in the context of other issues, but it is important to my family. If that weren't enough, when I did manage to squeeze in a little bit of "neal-time" I went out to play a game of Ultimate Frisbee and promptly tore the ligaments in my ankle. So, I'm hobbling about on crutches, and chucking down pain pills by the handful, both of which slow down everything I try to do rather substantially.

As Mosc noted in a post back several pages... I'm pretty strung out.

On the NetERC - Hena is out. We definitely need to find a replacement. This is something that has been on my priority list, but has nonetheless been consistently shuffled aside. In addition to an outright replacement, I'd like to have a fourth person as an alternate. A person that's already recognized would be a good thing for continuity during a long term absence or outright replacement. As noted above, it's become obvious that I definitely need someone to lean on from time to time.

I'll start a separate thread to deal with replacing Hena and possibly setting up an alternate.

While I'd like to stay on the ERC, it would be nice to find someone who could help and eventually take over the chair (which consists primarily of cracking the whip on volunteers from time to time, or poking bears with sticks, depending on your point of view).


On ACs - I agree ACs who are non-responsive should be removed and replaced. For the most part, though, I think the primary ACs have been responsive. I'm okay with intermittent work as long as it is consistent in the long term. Everyone has their own pace and process. Sub-ACs have generally been replaced without fuss.

That said, we do need a new Space Marine AC. I think we can reasonably dual-track that with ERC selection. In an ideal world, we'd probably do the ERC first, but I think we are generally (current rancor notwithstanding) collegial and I would not expect any major issues.


Compendium - I've also had the Compendium on my "high priority" list for weeks, but to be blunt, it just hasn't been high priority in practice. I thought I had everything collated and ready for a final proof, but when I printed it, the print didn't look like it did onscreen. It's some sort of technical glitch but I'm not sure where to start I haven't had time to sit down and sort it out.

It's become clear to me that I need to find someone who is a a technical wiz with PDFs and MSWord who can fix what already exists, or someone with mad data-entry skillz that can start from a blank template and crank in the data. I'll get into that in the compendium thread.

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If there are other issues, by all means call them to my attention.

Thanks for your post, Neal.



If you want to email this to me, I will take a look. I am happy to provide any technical help as required, and let you guys get on with the difficult development stuff.

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Thanks for the update, sorry to hear things have been rough with you Neal! You could try Apocolocyntosis for help with the document? - I think he's good with that kind of stuff.