Interesting idea. But should be carefull worded else every unit under the template get hit with 3BP AND a 2+MW TK attack

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More realistically, without a special rules it's perfectly fine to hit a target outside the template with the TK attack. It's still a good idea though.

I like that idea, E&C, but would it price the Bomber out of bunker busting?

Try this one BL:

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Nah, the thing I like about E&Cs idea is that it allows the weapon to be effective against both infantry in cover and War Engines without too much fiddling. Even with the boost on the number of attacks, you'd average 1/6 of starting DC (5+ hit, usually 4+ save against MW). Plus it is more effective against larger engines, which is counterintuitive.

The problem I'm continuing to have is if the Colossus is effective against War Engines, it'll be too expensive to be used against infantry in cover. I cannot see a way around this. If the fortification were able to be attacked directly, our problems would disappear. But the fact that you're effectively aiming at units inside an invulnerable fortification makes the abilities required, and the relative value of those abilities, difficult to balance.

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Does the bomb lose Slow Firing? Otherwise the TK part is comparable to a Shadowsword, isn't it? Which is worth 200 pts. Is 300 pts too much for it?

No, I just left it out for reasons unknown. 300 is probably too much. It is, however, where I plan to start playtests if the tandem (as opposed to dual) mode weapon is the most supported. I guess my question for all is: would you use the aircraft for infantry in fortifications at 300pt? Or would it be a TK weapon with a twist?

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The only real comparable air craft is the Ax-1-0 which get one MW3+ TKD3 which normally gets boosted to MW2+ by markerlights. They cost 375 for a pair (though this is possibly slightly overpriced). If you go with the design E&C suggested you would almost certainly end up with a specialized large war engine killer. It would have to cost upwards of 300 points using the Ax-1-0 as a comparison.

Would being under the the hole of the template give you one shot per 2 DC as per normal? So against a Warlord or Gargant it would get 4 shots a time or if slow firing 8 shots a game? That's more TK fire power than an Ax-1-0 squadron.

It's separate shots, so it's only the single TK attack PLUS a 3BP barrage.

I think you'd rarely get the full effect of both in one attack run, it would more likely be an extra attack or two if you go for a war engine or a TK attack vaporizing one infantry stand when attacking fortified infantry. With slow firing, the Ax'es get three times the number of TK attacks as the Colossus over a 3 turn game (one shot in turn 1 and turn 3 vs 2 shots every turn).

The exception would be something like an ork warband hugging a battlefortress.

I acTually quite like Rug's idea...

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I'm not sure exactly what you meant there so I'll put it this way: You'd get a single TK shot, plus 1/2 DC shots from the barrage. Without MW the barrage would usually add 1/12 of the WE's starting DC (1/2 DC x 5+ to hit x 4+ Reinforced Armor), so no reason to complicate things further.

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You'd do half a DC versus a Baneblade, or 1 1/3 DC versus a Warlord, twice a game. That wouldn't top my list of WE hunters. I also am bothered by the fact it would do more damage to a larger engine. I can see that with the Cobra, sort of, but not with a fairly conventional bomb like the Colossus. I'll think on it. The two roles it's assigned have been placed at opposite ends of the specrum by the Epic rules, and it's frustrating. :/

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I think E&Cs tandem-mode idea is the best one. It'll cost too much for most applications against most fortified infantry, but the ability to do actual damage to a WE trumps that, as it also gives it a role the Heavy Marauder simply cannot fulfill. It does require a special rule, but it seems the only other choice is to have a platform capable of either WE hunting OR fortified infantry hunting, not both.

So the rules for the Marauder Colossus are:



For comparison, here is the runner-up for the Colossus Bomb stats.


Comments/Objections before we (finally) move on?

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Does the TK attack need Slow Firing too, I think the rules as written there only has the barrage portion as slow firing?