Sounds like it might not even be worth giving a BP attack to?

MW2+, TK(d3), ignores cover, one-shot ?

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nah, it does say it's backed up by loads of high explosive, and has "bomb creep", i.e. blast damage.


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Elite: Wasn't this agreed to be +1 to rallying always, not just when broken?

Also, can we not do something to make Kasrkin and storm troopers more different?

I'd have to look at the Elite discussion.

Kasrkin: why make them different than Storm Troopers? That's what they are.

Colossus Bomb: I was actually thinking along the lines of 15cm BP3, TK(1), Slow Loading. 250pts. That way they'd be able to be used in anti-WE work, at which point they'd average 1/6 of the DC (5+ to hit on half DC), or against Infantry in fortifications (also at 5+, the cover save is ignored but the mod counts)

I'd even consider dropping Slow Loading at that point. It would be impossible to vape a WE like with a Deathstrike, since the max you'd get was half DC. A consequence of adding Slow loading to the Colossus Bomb is that the Bomber activates at 2+ on T1. On T2 it stands down and clears all BMs. T3 it activates on a 2+ again. The BMs for coming under AA fire are irrelavent, in effect.

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Yes, the Elite rule suggested was a flat +1 to Rally. That's an easy fix, unless there are concerns from anyone?

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A TK BP weapon every turn is too powerful, even with slow firing it'd need to be very expensive.

I don't even like slow firing on the colossus bomb. 30 minutes is not enough time to fly back to base, refuel, re-arm, and fly back to the battle zone again.

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one turn is enough for every other bomber in the game...

So there are no problems with the interaction betwen slow firing and the aircraft BM rules?

What were your thoughts on cost? 300? 350?

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Not significant ones, and it's definitely not a bonus, as people could choose to stand down on turn 2 anyway if they wanted to.

Note that the Dark Eldar TK bomber is slow firing, albeit not a BP weapon.

Given the unique size of the bomb, I'd still go with one-shot myself. One-shot also means people will think twice about whether to take it or not.



Difficult to tell, but start high.

All other bombers are meant to carry multiple bombs, and over the course of a full Epic game they release their bomb load in tactical strikes. Presumably after the Epic game (4 turns, 1 hour), they fly home to re-arm/refuel.

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The Razorwing is 30cm MW3+, TK(1), Fixed Forward, Slow Firing for 125pt. Thats a fighter bomber platform with 4+ save, but not 2DC.

I think the 15cm, BP3, TK(1), Fixed Forward, Slow Firing with a single AA gun would be worth no more than 300, and possibly it's current costing. With one shot I'd place it at the same costing as a Heavy Marauder. That's possibly not a bad thing, as it currently would tend to push the Heavy Marauder aside I feel.

Thoughts?

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Go with one-shot, and start testing at 200pts.

After dropping its bomb, it'll still be able to strafe ground targets with 2x AP4+ attacks for the rest of the game.

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Okay. I have a feeling it's overcosted there but that can be fixed.

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This is the current list of changes for v1.2.

v1.2 Changes
Core:
None

Upgrades:
None

Support:
Added Armored Fist Platoon: ten IG infantry and 5 Chimareas for 300 pt.

Fortifications:
Wording changed to "Up to 50cm of trenches, and up to six gun emplacements."

Allies:
Marauder Colossus Bomb rules changed (see units) Cost changed to 200pts.

Units:
Colossus Bomb changed to fit background. Stats changed to 15cm, TK(1), Fixed Forward, One Shot
Elite special rule changed to flat 1+ to rally.

Are there any other concerns?

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E&C: Ermmmm..... No, they reload back at base after every turn.

Aircraft collect Blast markers in a similar manner to other
units, but are affected by them rather differently. The following
fairly simple rules reflect the time it takes to rearm and refuel
aircraft after a mission. Aircraft in a formation that has come
under heavy attack and therefore have a lot of Blast markers
will take longer to get ready, and so there is an increased
chance that they may not get to carry out a mission.


Fighter-bombers manoeuvre as bombers
when making an approach move if they are carrying out a
ground attack action (because they are laden down with bombs
or rockets), and behave like fighters under any other
circumstances.