Just curious

Is the development of the list running the timeline of Onachus to make it into the Xenos supplement?

Just curious as we have not seen open development on the Squat list (v4) and wondering whether there will be enough time to provide open development on the Nid list without it going straight to print.

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When I was asked to return as Tyranid AC it was with the mandate to clean up the three diverging lists by giving them the following.
(1) Identical Special Rules.
(2) Identical unit stats, were needed.
(3) Identical systems for formation construction.
(4) To return some leadership to the above goals.

The Squat list was my creation and is mine to do with as I see fit. For now the Nid list is in critical condition, the Squat v.4 list is not. Therefore my efforts, in my free time, need to be spent on the Nids.

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I think my question may not have been understood.

Re: quoted text. Are you expecting points 1-3 to be completed with the release of the Xenos supplement?

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Your question was clearly understood, you are just failing to see the answer and desire that someone spell it out for you.

As for Xenos, the Squat v.4 list is my responsibility...........period.

As for the Nids the Net ERC asked me to step in and clean it up, Dave is in charge of the Xenos Nid project. It is his choice to participate, not mine.

When the Nid list was a mess a long time ago I was asked to step in and and give it a new direction. I will ask people their opinions, but in the end, as AC, the final decisions are mine. In the end true leadership is to lead, delegate jobs, and evaluate opinions, then to take the bull by the horns and make a decision. I am not here to make everybody happy, that is a sure way to failure, I am here to get the Nid List back on track, via the people who asked me to do it, the Net ERC. Anything else connected with that job is my affair.

Is THIS clear enough or do you want a signed and notirized statment to this effect?

Really Frogbear let me do my job without having to deal with really petty issues as to what I am trying to accomplish. I would really appreciate it if I was allowed to spend my time answering questions dealing with the Nid list, rather were my loyalties are resting.

Jaldon

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Yes, because it is so important that we only have one list to represent such a diverse set of lifeforms.

Stats and rules =/= lists.

I didn't say one list. I said "sort out" the variant lists and lock down a single set of stats and rules, because they're all heading off in different and confusing directions.

I'm probably one of the most long-term supporters of a multiple list solution, so, sarcasm off, please.

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Seriously Jaldon, you have to stop taking everything so personally. You should not attempt to belittle people for asking questions that you seem not to answer directly.

I will quote someone else that you also chose to belittle who answered your attack quite succinctly:

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We need a solid core system, but I don't think the formation/list construction rules necessarily need to be identical in all lists. Variant lists should probably be able to tweak within reason, as needed.

So it is possible to have the Onachus list build their formations differently while major structural points such as spawning, rallying, BTS, etc.; are identical?

I'm okay with that. I'm not sure if I posted this but it could represent the Tyranids organizing in a different fashion based on what Phase they are in.

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FB, yes. The development here is running Onachus' time-frame, and that is partially running the Xenos time-frame.

I have no desire to print a list that isn't well tested and balanced, and I'm sure Mosc. and the others agree.

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I also agree that list construction should be down to individual lists, though possibly within a loose framework.

That seems to sum up Jaldon's stated direction principles - keep the rules and list mechanics the same, but allow different formation 'modules' (and possibly different units) to depict the variant lists.

+1 from me

Thanks Dave. The list (after this) will probably sit there for the next 5 years in that state so yes, good to hear that it will not be rushed to make a deadline.

I am happy to (want to) provide play tests to help the nid development, so that is good news.

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To repeat, I want the lists (Notice it is plural) to have identical special rules, and identical unit stats, where needed (The unit stats that is).

I am going to 'offer' up some TO&E ideas, and I will make the 9.2.1 list follow those ideas. The other designers of the sub lists are free to have a go at the TO&Es. Mostly because it does fit the flavor of the Nids different 'Invasions' as they even breed new creatures to adapt to enemies encountered, so different style TO&Es would not be a surprise. In fact it may even be in character with the Nids.



Seriously, your orginal question was unessacary from the outset and had nothing to do with the work at hand. I do not like having to waste my valuable time answering inane questions that have nothing to do with the work being done. Ask a relevant question next time, and try to stick to the subject matter at hand.

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