As Steve says, Chroma hasn't done anything notable with his Cadian list in more than two years. That doesn't greatly feel like pushing for ID status.

I'm not aware of anyone gaming with it, either, so I don't think I'm proposing changes to a beloved and popular list here.

This list idea very much draws from Chroma's early work, though.



IIRC I've done that (Posted an alternate ideas proposal list) three times:

1 - AMTL, back when Dysartes was the (Absent) Champion. Later I was asked to be AMTL Champion, presumably on the merit of my earlier work with the AMTL.

2 - Tau, back when the Tau list was languishing in a terrible state. The Champion then took 90% of my ideas and they now form a core component of the finalised Tau army list.

3 - Tyranids, about 18 months ago when it became clear that 9.2.1 wasn't going anywhere. Chroma asked me to shut down my variant list ideas thread, and 9.2.1 continued to rot. Only now with the appointment of a new Tyranid Champion are we seeing any positive movement.


Meatloaf said it best, IMO.

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I don't recall there being any changes noted when he posted that file.

Even if there were some changes, I don't know if his Cadian list has ever seen a single game.

The Battle Reports sub-forum has no records of them having been played.


To put things in perspective, that supplement ("Black Crusade") was announced around the same time that work on Epic:Raiders started, IIRC.

Chroma has announced 3 different supplements over the years, but only his Scenarios supplement ("Total War") has seen much development, AFAIK.


I think it's unfair for a developer to be able to "squat" army lists and supplement projects, if they're not around to actually do any work on them.

If it's like his absence last year, Chroma could easily be away for six months.

We could get a Cadian list *finished* in that time, frankly.




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I'd be quite happy for someone else to develop a Cadian list, incidentally. I'm just posting my ideas.

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You're supposed to think this was a good idea of mine... *waves hands in the air*

Nah, I'm happy enough to back off, but when you get down to it Chroma hasn't logged in to TC in 5 weeks, and isn't answering emails either; it's not unreasonable to start thinking about passing the Cadians on to someone else IMO.

I'm happy enough being 3rd spear carrier at the back, instead of leading the charge, if that's what you (As Champion) want.


Sort of like, directing in large BP attacks from heavy artillery stationed two hundred miles away?
Interesting idea.

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Had a quick look at the list, quite like it, would give it a shot if I had guard.

Was the exemption of commisars intentional?

I have a Cadian army and I really like your list (I prefer it over Chroma´s), my main problem is that I have no Leviathan.

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I actually prefer the Vigilant as a pure recon platform. The idea (BL's?) of it adding a second SC reroll when on-table has merit, IMO. The Collossus, OTOH, would be interesting as a Spacecraft stand in, with it's bomb having an orbital bombardment style attack, possibly slow loading.

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I do like the sound of a spacecraft vigilant, (Assuming AWACS) gives it the right protection/movement.

Does anyone know what the fluff says about the plane, whether it's a high ceiling craft or low? I don't have tactica aeronautica so i don't know...

tactica aeronautica doesnt have much to say on the vigilant, but they do say its primary role is that of High Altitude Long Range surveilance.
I like the idea of using it like a spacecraft, except that having it only exist for one turn is kinda poxy...

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well, it'd still be there for a third of the game...

Ok. Paying points for a Spacecraft which has one wot two one shot weapons once a game and thenisnever tobe seen again and the opponent cannothing do against this (exept field a Spacecraft of his own) is ok.
But a flying Supreme Commander who actually can be shot down is not ok?

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Agreed. They could be available in a support platoon.


Space Ships were forgotten by me as noone ever takes the damn things (They're overpriced, really).

We could either put spacecraft in (Perhaps with a points drop), or go with making up new Marauder Vigilant stats. Would the BP attacks be pre-plotted before the game like with a spacecraft?

Tangentally, Marauder Colossus stats would probably be a one-shot ignores cover 3BP attack that uses the spacecraft template, IMO.



Agreed that'd be a lovely unit to get in.


Rapiers? (Cadians don't use 'em)
Lascannons?

The Cadian iconic heavy weapon is supposed to be the Autocannon, according to the background.


Cadians aren't known users of heavy mortars (Griffon Mortars on foot ala Krieg). They are known to use light mortars ala Elysians but not as much as they use Autocannons.


Rapiers have a model, lascannon Cadians came on the 1st ed sprue, and heavy mortars can be made by taking a griffon mortar and mounting it on a penny.

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Assume the standard Commissars rule.

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