A couple thoughts. I'll look over the list more closely soon, but these stick out.

I can never see myself taking a Revenant Host. The 1:1 Restricton on Support virtually forces a player to take individual Revenants in order to keep activations up. There is also no downside to taking two individual Revenants versus a pair. I'd up the cost of an individual to at least 350, possibly 375. An aside is that I do favor the 1:1 restriction.

Why the 6-8 for a ranger troupe? In a list that will struggle to mantain activation parity, a less expensive scout formation is a must, IMO.

My advice, drop the Phantasm entirely. I'd be interested to see a Reaver analogue, perhaps a DC4-5 light battle titan. However, with the Eldar not mounting carapace weapons in their titans, it would still be difficult to make attractive and balanced. Perhaps instead of the Wraithgate upgrade to the Phantom, a new class with a built-in gate would provide variety?

Not a fan of the Spirit Sword. It simply is not on a par with the PF, IMO, though they are equal in cost. Is the TK(3) a Typo, or is it really a fixed damage?

I'll work on some lists soon, and see if I have any more to add. This has the potential to be a really interesting list, and I look forward to it's development.

Edit: A Warlock with standard loadout will cost 25-50pt less than the Biel-Tan version (750 +25 PF +25-50 Pulsar or Psychic Lance = 800-825, vs. 850) , is this intentional? Additionally, are Warlocks still restricted 0-1? If they are not, consider adding the restriction to the Wraithseer upgrade. This list has a lot of BP and alot of MW/TK. It'll be interesting to see if it will be effective in an all comers list.

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Well mainly it was because I wanted to make sure Titans were going to be a predominant unit. However after reflection and a 2k game, it does seem harsh. Maybe putting it back at 2:1 Ratio?


Well I was trying to add a variant Titan that would give the list more....Character? But it might be the wrong path? Eldar just have limited weapons choices and Titans. Having a larger one was shot down so I figured an alternate maybe?


As noted the 1:1 ratio maybe to harsh. I do not see any reason to change the Revenants to 375 singlely yet. The only reason Warhounds were up in price was of heavy abuse. I rather wait to see how playtesting shows.


The reason at first was to maintain a difference with the others list and to show that more scouts are needed when supporting Titans as there's a lack of Infantry.


We would be hard pressed to add a Titan Class in between the Reveant and Phantom. But making a variant class around the gate idea but be doable. The Phantasm just might be dropped.


It was very hard to try and make it on par with the Fist without matching stats or making it OTT. I hope when FW release there 40k stats we might get a better idea. But really I think the PF is too damn powerful to start and is what throwing things off.


I know the Warlock comes out slightly cheaper. It was that or make it slightly more expense. As cutting up the bitz seemed not to fall quite right when compared to the Phantom shared weapon options. 0-1 is not there and I thought it might not be needed in the list. Its a good Titan but if you wanted to try the mobile gate you have to take Phantoms. The Wraithseer should be 0-1 as its the SC. A oversight on my part.

I appreciate the feedback and hopefully we can hammer out a new version soonish. I do want to wait in till the NetEA Docs are up before updating or changing the list.

some good points addressed there, and after making about 10 lists or trying to i just cant seem to get my head around any viable lists at 1:1 ratio, so for my interest in the list i shall be play testing everything under a 2:1 ratio as it seems to me this is where it will end heading anyway.

Also just wondering as it wasnt adressed in your previous post as to why there arent any wraithguard in the list ?

Also the Guardian formations i think you might need to correct the wording with :

5 Guardian Units and 5 Heavy "Support" Platforms (Upgrade to 5 Support +100)

shoud it not read as :

5 Guardian Units and 5 Heavy Weapons Platforms (Upgrade to 5 Heavy Support Platforms +100)


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Hey guys, Im pretty new at epic and I just had an opponent quit a game against me in turn 1.

I was fielding the titan clan list with 8 activations in 4000p and he was playing space marines with a reaver and two warhounds as allies.

He deepstrikes down 4 formations of terminators with captains in turn 1, tries to FF my warlock titan (psi-lance+pf) and fails. I had deployed the guardian troupe in front so he couldnt get in b2b after teleporting. He decides not to retain initative and i blow the rest of the terminators away with my titans. Then he resigns the game and leaves, saying eldar titans are impossible to kill with anything but terminators (for space marine players).

Is he right? Is an eldar titan list very cheezy?

I had warlock, 2 phantoms, double revenants, 2 guardian troupes, wraithlord troupe and a vampire hunter in 4000p.

Sounds like putting all his eggs in one basket, and the wrong one at that. Splitting into two teleport attacks at titans he could b2b would have netted him better, throwing 1400pt against a FF monster like a Warlock with Guardians in support was a poor move. If he wanted to wait till T2 when he could have cleared the Guardians, that would have been a better option.

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Cheesy or not your opponent's behaviour reveals very poor sportsmanship. Needs to grow up a bit I think! And yes he played it all wrong.

"saying eldar titans are impossible to kill with anything but terminators (for space marine players)" - clearly not as he amply demonstrated!

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I told him a terminator based army like that was a bad idea, but would he listen, oooh no they never do, do they?

Yeah I dont understand why he used so many captains at all (I think he said for leader). But he didnt even use combined assault, he just assaulted me with a single terminator formation. I did tell him ahead of time that i was going to bring the titan list.

I really enjoy playing the titan list, I have fewer activations but I like how they work so i dont mind. The powerfist might be overpowered with the 6x 4+ shooting, but I dont think the CC and FF stats for it should change. Eldar titans need the extra attacks vs other titans because of the lower DC.

He had (from memory):
4 terminator formations with captains
2 tactical formations with dreads and vindicator (garrisoned)
reaver titan with 2 gatling guns and a plasma
2 standard warhounds in seperate formations
2 empty thunderhawks.

Actually about the powerfist, does it make all the titan's CC attacks TK(d3) or just the extra two? Ive been playing with just the extra two as titan killer and that doesnt seem too crazy.

Hes not a young player, but I dont know how long hes been playing for.

Just the extras. I'd move the +FF attacks to the titan pulsar and tone down the shooting stats somewhat. Make the choice between the pulsar and the fist actually mean something.

ok, this sounds like a good plan, but my question is, how exactly does teh fusion lance work. i may be tired in reading the stat line but what does 4-1 mean per 15 cm. i assume its like the original but the stats confuse me a bit.