Hi there!

So here the very first version of the "new" LatD list.

The goal of the list is simply to switch the demon engines and navy units from the old list with the new demon engines and navy units by Forgeworld, Apocalypse etc.

I know the list is very basic right now and there's a lot that needs to be done. But I thought the basic stuff is already there to start some discussions.
There are no new Slaneesh or Tzeentch units yet as far as I know, so those will be added when they start to exist

Now, to some ideas I had:

Drop the Aspiring Champion: I really don't like that unit. So 4 nude guys and one Marine are just as good in firefights and at suffering injuries as 5 Marines? Yeah, right. And there's always a Marine available when there's no psyker around? Absolutely sensible.
The Enforcer was my first thought of how to replace the Asp. Champ., but I really don't know whether he's a good replacement or not.

Open Upgrades to some Support Units: Well, yeah, I just thought that might be fun. I didn't allow the Russes or Bassis to take Hydras, since this list isn't supposed to be the über anti air army of death.

Chaos Spawn: I didn't include this change, but what do you think about allowing 1-3 Chaos Spawns per Coven?

Traitor Guard Coven: I thougth their addition might be nice for a change, though I'm not sure they won't be regulary taken over cultist covens.

Uhm, support unit limitations, I just didn't include that yet because I'm trying to figure out where I want to include those. For starters, think it's just like in the old list.

Point A - Calling it the NEW L&TD ARMY is going to go nowhere fast. I suggest a re-name.

Point B - Splitting the list into Khorne and Nurgle lists would be much cooler.


Follow points A and B, and you end up with two late-war Vraksian Traitors army lists, of course, one Khorne and one Nurgle, just as they were on Vraks. :-)

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On topic: Well basically E&C is right. The Vraks books explicitly state that the Daemon Engines are only allowed for Chaos Space Marine armies. So remove the Daemon Engines, split the list in a Khorne and Nurgle list and you will have something very similar to the Servants of Slaughter and Servants of Decay Vraksian Traitors.

And i'm still not fond of the idea that Daemon Engines are build outside of the Eye of Terror. Human Traitors with Dameon Engines support would be a Chaos Incursion out of the Eye of Terror. Not Cultists.

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I'd be fine with them keeping Daemon Engines etc. it's just the "all in one" list style worked pretty awfully for L&TD, truth be told.

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The title is only a working title. It's like calling your thesis "thesis 'bout stuff".

Actually, I really like the old LatD List, for the simple fact that you don't have to dedicate yourself to anyone god.



This is actually giving me an idea for a better title. But what would you call the Chaos guys that run around with only spears and swords when you don't call them Cultists?

Jackasses?

Seriously though, you could call them "daemon world minions" or "incursion cultists" or some such - something that distinguishes them from the regular cultists.

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