Tacticals are considered by some to be overpriced, and is actually polling pretty strongly for a drop to 275 in codex. That represents part of it.

The arguments against Wolf Guard, and in part the reason for the Tac/Terminator drop is the lack of mobile assets. This list has no Spacecraft (so can't Drop Pod). And Thunderhawks pay a 50pt premium AND come out of a limited Support Formation. So the cost of a Tactical Air Assault is actually more expensive, and Terminator Air Assault nets the same cost.

Morgan Vening

600 points for mounted Termies is cheaper than any other list at the moment. Obviously, no one takes mounted termies, so it may not be a problem at all. It's just one of those "items to watch" kinds of things.

I'm still not sure about Tarantulas. They seem weak to me. Dreads seem like better fire support on a point-for-point basis in nearly any situation.

Dobbsy

The Terminators are actually supposed to be 325, since I wanted to make an Air Assault with them slightly more expensive. Oops. I've amended the initial post to correspond with what actually happened, since I don't think 300+50 is that much of a worry.

However, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to just create a separate formation of Terminators based around Land Raiders without Teleport.

That said, Morgan's got a pretty good explanation of why they're cheaper.

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Neal

Aye. I'm thinking about just adding in a 'ground' Terminator formation and pricing the other one normally. It increases the list size a little, but it would definitely be easy to balance relative to other options.

In regard to Tarantulas...well, there's three options: Bigger formation, lower cost, or better Tarantulas. I don't think C is appropriate. B would seem to carry risks of spamming, but is a possibility. I'm trying to avoid A, for the usual large formation reasons (though I think adding another Tarantula would be possible).

Another option is to increase Dreads to 250, though they start to feel expensive there.

Thoughts?

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Separate ground/deepstrike terminator formations is interesting. I think it solves the problem, but I'm not sure how it would be received by most players.

Tarantulas: In the dread comparison, I think it's the Tarantulas more than the Dreads, and it's not just the formations but the upgrades. For example, compare garrison Devs with Dreads at 50 points each versus tarantulas at 75/3. Dreads come out better point-for-point.

It's not an easy thing to solve.

How about 4 for 75 in the upgrade, and increasing the overall formation to 8?

I'm almost tempted to get rid of the Deep-Striking/Thunderhawking Terminator altogether, replacing them with the Land Raider version. But that may be excessive (and I think people'd switch to Dreadnoughts for their Air Assault needs).

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Oh, you are the voice of temptation, you are...

My concern would be that with Terminators gone, people simply switched to using Dreadnoughts for their Air Assault purposes. And while I dislike the prevalence of Terminator Air Assaulting, replacing it with Dreadnought Air Assaulting is not exactly my greatest ambition.

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