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Ok, so I have spent some time trying to convert my SM2/NetEpic Force over to E:A an dI would liek some feedback. First off I will paste my NetEpic List then what I came up with for E:A

Code:
Companies                           Points   
 
I    Terminator Company             1000    1950
    Special) Space Marine Commander 100   
    1)    Assault Detachment        250   
    2)    Tactical Detachment       250   
    3)    Dreadnought Squad         100   
    4)    Whirlwind Battery         150   
    5)    Thunderhawk Gunship       100   
               
II    Battle Company                850    1950
    Special)    Librarian           50   
    1)    Terminator Detachment     350   
    2)    Hunter AA                 150   
    3)    Bike Squad                150   
    4)    Land Speeder Squad        200   
    5)    Predator Squad            200   
               
III    Battle Company               850    2025
    Special)    Chaplain            75   
    1)    Tactical Detachment       250   
    2)    Terminator Detachment     350   
    3)    Bike Squad                150   
    4)    Land Speeder Squad        200   
    5)    Scatolo Support Squad     150   
               
IV    Battle Company                850    3225
    Special)    Chaplain            75   
    1)    Terminator Detachment     350   
    2)    Hunter AA                 150   
    3)    Whirlwind Battery         150   
    4)    Vindicator Squad          150   
    5)    Razorback Squad           400   
               
V    Battle Company                 850    1650
    Special)           
    1)    Thunderhawk Gunship       100   
    2)    Vindicator Squad          150   
    3)    Land Speeder Squad        200   
    4)    Bike Squad                150   
    5)    Predator Squad            200   
               
VI    Tactical Company              750    1725
    Special)    Medic               50   
    1)    Veteran Detachment        300   
    2)    Veteran Detachment        300   
    3)    Robot Squad               150   
    4)    Rapier Battery            75   
    5)    Thudd Gun Battery         100   
               
VIII    Assault Company             750    1125
    Special)    Drop Pods       
    1)    Thudd Gun Battery         100   
    2)    Mole Mortar Battery       100   
    3)    Mole Mortar Battery       100   
    4)    Rapier Battery            75   
    5)           
               
X    Scout Company                  450    1550
    Special)    Medic               50   
    1)    Scout Detachment          150   
    2)    Scout Detachment          150   
    3)    Veteran Detachment        300   
    4)    Veteran Detachment        300   
    5)    Vindicator Squad          150   
               
XI    Land Raider Company           700    1650
    Special)    Techmarine          100   
    1)    Land Raider Squad         250   
    2)    Land Raider Squad         250   
    3)           
    4)    Predator Squad            200   
    5)    Whirlwind Battery         150   
               
XII    Warlord Titan Battle group   1500    4200
        Weapon Allocation           900   
    Special)    Reaver Titan        300   
        Weapon Allocation           150   
    1)    Reaver Titan              300   
        Weapon Allocation           150   
    2)    Warhound Scout Detachment 250
        Weapon Allocation           200
    3)    Warhound Scout Detachment 250
        Weapon Allocation           200
    4)       
    5)       
           
                                           19950     


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Code:
Companies           
   
I    Veteran Company       
    TERMINATOR DETACHMENT       325    2250
    4 Terminators       
    TERMINATOR DETACHMENT       425   
    4 Terminators       
    +2x Dreadnought       
    TERMINATOR DETACHMENT       425   
    4 Terminators       
    +2x Dreadnought       
    TACTICAL DETACHMENT           400   
    6 Tacticals       
    +Supreme Commander       
    ASSAULT DETACHMENT           175   
    4 Assault Units       
    WHIRLWINDS                   300   
    4 Whirlwinds       
    THUNDERHAWK                   200   
           
II    Battle Company       
    TACTICAL DETACHMENT           425    2075
    6 Tacticals       
    +Captain       
    +Hunter       
    TERMINATOR DETACHMENT       325   
    4 Terminators       
    ASSAULT DETACHMENT           175   
    4 Assault Units       
    DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT       375   
    4 Devastators       
    +Librarian       
    +Hunter       
    BIKE DETACHMENT               200   
    5x Bike Unit       
    LAND SPEEDERS               200   
    5x Land Speeder       
    PREDATORS                   375   
    4x Annihilator       
    +Hunter       
           
III    Battle Company       
    TACTICAL DETACHMENT           350    2050
    6 Tacticals       
    +Captain       
    ASSAULT DETACHMENT           175   
    4 Assault Units       
    DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT       250   
    4 Devastators       
    TACTICAL DETACHMENT           450   
    6 Tacticals       
    +Chaplain       
    +2x Dreadnought       
    TERMINATOR DETACHMENT       425   
    4 Terminators       
    +2x Dreadnought       
    BIKE DETACHMENT               200   
    5x Bike Unit       
    LAND SPEEDERS               200   
    5x Land Speeder       
           
IV    Battle Company       
    TACTICAL DETACHMENT           425    4700
    6 Tacticals       
    +Captain   
    +3x Razorback   
    ASSAULT DETACHMENT            250
    4 Assault Units   
    +Vindicator   
    DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT       325
    4 Devastators   
    +Hunter   
    TERMINATOR DETACHMENT       375
    4 Terminators   
    +Chaplain   
    WHIRLWINDS                   375
    4 Whirlwinds   
    +Hunter   
    VINDICATORS                   375
    4 Vindicators   
    +Hunter       
           
V    Battle Company       
    TACTICAL DETACHMENT           350    1975
    6 Tacticals       
    +Captain       
    ASSAULT DETACHMENT           175   
    4 Assault Units       
    DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT       250   
    4 Devastators       
    THUNDERHAWK                   200   
    VINDICATORS                   300   
    4 Vindicators       
    LAND SPEEDERS               200   
    5x Land Speeder       
    BIKE DETACHMENT               200   
    5x Bike Unit       
    PREDATORS                   300   
    4x Annihilator       
           
X    Scout Company                    600
    SCOUT DETACHMENT           150   
    4 Scouts       
    SCOUT DETACHMENT           150   
    4 Scouts       
    SCOUT DETACHMENT           150   
    4 Scouts       
    SCOUT DETACHMENT           150   
    4 Scouts       
           
XX    Titan Battlegroup       
    WARLORD CLASS TITAN           850    4000
    WARLORD CLASS TITAN           850   
    REAVER CLASS TITAN           650   
    REAVER CLASS TITAN           650   
    WARHOUND TITAN               250   
    WARHOUND TITAN               250   
    WARHOUND TITAN               250   
    WARHOUND TITAN                250   
           
           
           
                                         15075         


A couple of goals I kept in mind during this were
1) keep it easy to divide into 3/6/10k increments for different sized battles
2) keep it close to my NetEpic setup to avoid repainting or needing to purchase more minis
3) keep it within the "Codex Astares" chapter structure


Suggestions, thoughts, criticism? How would this be best divided to optimize activations?

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II Battle Company
TACTICAL DETACHMENT 425 2075
6 Tacticals
+Captain
+Hunter
TERMINATOR DETACHMENT 325
4 Terminators
ASSAULT DETACHMENT 175
4 Assault Units
DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT 375
4 Devastators
+Librarian
+Hunter
BIKE DETACHMENT 200
5x Bike Unit
LAND SPEEDERS 200
5x Land Speeder
PREDATORS 375
4x Annihilator
+Hunter


Battle Companies do not contain Terminators. They're simply not common enough.

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III Battle Company
TACTICAL DETACHMENT 350 2050
6 Tacticals
+Captain
ASSAULT DETACHMENT 175
4 Assault Units
DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT 250
4 Devastators
TACTICAL DETACHMENT 450
6 Tacticals
+Chaplain
+2x Dreadnought
TERMINATOR DETACHMENT 425
4 Terminators
+2x Dreadnought
BIKE DETACHMENT 200
5x Bike Unit
LAND SPEEDERS 200
5x Land Speeder


You (arguably) have extra Assault Marines here. Bikes and Land Speeders are piloted either by Reserve Company members, or by the company's assault marines.

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XX Titan Battlegroup
WARLORD CLASS TITAN 850 4000
WARLORD CLASS TITAN 850
REAVER CLASS TITAN 650
REAVER CLASS TITAN 650
WARHOUND TITAN 250
WARHOUND TITAN 250
WARHOUND TITAN 250
WARHOUND TITAN 250


Don't forget about the possibilities offered by the War Gryphons Titan Legion list.

Also, last I checked, single Warhounds were worth 275 for Space Marines.

Of course, I'm assuming you're making more of a TO&E than lists for games. I may be wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:43 pm 
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Battle Companies do not contain Terminators. They're simply not common enough.



The terminators there are supposed to be a "support" unit to the company, they are just in the wrong order in that list.

Not much else you said makes a lick of sense to me :(. I am basically trying to convert from my NetEpic List into a playable E:A list. The "company listings" are more from an organizational standpoint trying to keep things aligned with my Net Epic List, mainly to keep up with what/how I have things painted. my preference would be to "pull a drawer" containing the company in storage and place it on the battlefield with little or no digging in other drawers for units.

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Ah. It looked more (to me) like you were setting out how your Chapter was organized. In which case the Terminators should be off doing their own thing, there should be a limited number of assault elements, etc.

Since that's not what you're doing, all is well.

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Just remember that the majority of games are 2700pts or 3000pts games. 2000pts is the absolute minimum and 5000pts the absolute maximum for the Tournamen Scenario game.

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BlackLegion wrote:
Just remember that the majority of games are 2700pts or 3000pts games. 2000pts is the absolute minimum and 5000pts the absolute maximum for the Tournamen Scenario game.


That seems awful small to me for average game size, I was used to 5000-7500 point SM2 games being typical, 3k points is barely any models on a 4x6 board!

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You need the room to maneuver. 5000pts of eg Orks is a pretty large and unwieldly army.

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madmagician wrote:
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Just remember that the majority of games are 2700pts or 3000pts games. 2000pts is the absolute minimum and 5000pts the absolute maximum for the Tournamen Scenario game.


That seems awful small to me for average game size, I was used to 5000-7500 point SM2 games being typical, 3k points is barely any models on a 4x6 board!

Yup, army sizes under E:A are considerably smaller than SM/2.

A 3k E:A game should be playable in less than 2 hours. Not sure if you could play a 7500pt SM/2 game in 2 hours!

The 5k upper limit is guidance for balance. If you go beyond 5k you're advised to start a new force org chart. This doesn't affect some armies like Marines all that much, but for Guard for example it helps them out.

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madmagician wrote:
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Just remember that the majority of games are 2700pts or 3000pts games. 2000pts is the absolute minimum and 5000pts the absolute maximum for the Tournamen Scenario game.


That seems awful small to me for average game size, I was used to 5000-7500 point SM2 games being typical, 3k points is barely any models on a 4x6 board!


Well, I guess it comes down to how much time do you have? But the idea is you can set up, play and strike in 3 hours. Indeed at a club night you either have time for a big game (4000+ points) or 2 smaller ones (2000/2700, maybe 3000).

But at 3000 points you can easily face armies with 150 odd units. Marines though aren't one of those armies! The cheapest unit you get is 25 points (this is units as in stands or tanks, not formations).
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While I am not certain of this, I suspect Space Marines may have gotten more expensive proportionate to other armies.

I'm not sure, mind you. It's just a suspicion considering the changes in design philosophy from Space Marine to E:A.

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Ok, so I asked this on the other thread, but I will ask it here too, how do I get from and army list to a formation? is each "Detachment a formation, or each detachment plus upgrades its formation? or is it something else?

Also I read that to add say a chaplain, it REPLACES one of your stands instead of ADDING an additional stand, is that correct?

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Ok, so I asked this on the other thread, but I will ask it here too, how do I get from and army list to a formation? is each "Detachment a formation, or each detachment plus upgrades its formation? or is it something else?


The second one - a detachment plus its upgrades (if any) is a formation.

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No. He gets added to one unit in the formation.

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Also I read that to add say a chaplain, it REPLACES one of your stands instead of ADDING an additional stand, is that correct?


No. He gets added to one unit in the formation.


So if he were say added to a tactical detachment, he would be a 7th Stand, correct?

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No. He improves the statistics of one of your current stands by adding an invulnerable save, inspiring, and the extra MW attack.

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cool, got it ! Thanks for bearing with the boneheadedness!

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