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Some Tau suggestions to the eldar reverants one

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:41 am 
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I think we got to a good first start for the Remora Carrier. Just make the change that the Remoras on escort duty dont get a normal shot in Advance as well. Give that a test and see how it works.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:36 pm 
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Hey :) some of our suggestions flew into the gold book
-deflector shields
-boardside point cost
-markerlights
-recon cadre/piranha/tetra
-hammerhead variants

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:15 pm 
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Don't get excited, the Deflector field description is wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:42 pm 
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Don't get excited, the Deflector field description is wrong.

No? NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOO


Why became the Crisis suits decreased in point costs?


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 Post subject: Re: Some Tau suggestions to the eldar reverants one
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:20 pm 
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Just for the record: Since there seems to be some confusion as to what is indeed the correct rules and points cost, please make sure you're using the most up to date rules when suggesting erratta for the books. Otherwise things can get awfully confusing very fast :p :D ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Some Tau suggestions to the eldar reverants one
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:51 am 
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please make sure you're using the most up to date rules when suggesting erratta for the books

Now Gold edition should be most up to date
Before that I used Tau&Kroot 5.0
I thought it was the most up to date Rule book before


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 Post subject: Re: Some Tau suggestions to the eldar reverants one
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:47 am 
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The latest pre-Gold was Tau & Kroot V5.4. The correct wording for the Deflectors are:

Tau Deflector Shields
Larger Tau vehicles use a unique shielding technology called Deflector Shields. Adapted from Tau starships, Tau Deflector Shields are more advanced than those of the Imperium, Orks or even Eldar. Rather than hiding the location of the target, as with Eldar Holofields, or trying to simply absorb the energy of the attack as with Imperial Void Shields or Ork Powerfields, the Deflector Shield, as its name suggests, tries to deflect the energy of the shot away from the vehicle.
When a Deflector Shield is hit by enemy fire, the target receives an unmodified 3+ save against the attack. If it passes the shot is shrugged off, otherwise one shield collapses and the hit location template is used normally. Only one Deflector Shield is in effect at any one time but when one collapses the next in line is raised to stop the following shot. E.g.- a Titan shoots a Manta with a Gatling Blaster and two shots hit. The Manta fails its Deflector save versus the first shot, so loses one Deflector and takes a hit on the location template. On the second hit the Manta makes its Deflector save, the second Deflector stays up and the Manta is unharmed by the second shot. Deflector Shields may not be repaired during a game and provide a 4+ Psychic Save. Deflector Shields may only be collapsed by weapons with at least a -1TSM.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:47 pm 
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The latest pre-Gold was Tau & Kroot V5.4. The correct wording for the Deflectors are

I did not realized
that there were newer rules >:(

So the shields are still the same :-\


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:00 am 
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Yeah, but you got all the other things fixed didn't you?


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 Post subject: Re: Some Tau suggestions to the eldar reverants one
PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:40 am 
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OK, some ommissions/changes I've noted.

Moray and Manta: Should add the following to the description for both:

"For the purposes of targeting fliers, the Burst Cannon on the Moray/Manta are considered to be Turret weapons, though this does not override their existing arc of fire."

Moray Template - Single Burst Cannon entry should be replaced by Fore Burst Cannons x6 with a Front 180 degree arc noted, and Aft Burst Cannons x6 with a rear 180 degree arc noted.

The same applies to the Manta, with it's 10 replaced by two lots of 6 Burst Cannon.

I don't know how, but the templates on the Manta are different. Front and Rear probably doesn't matter, but the side in the Gold Book has locations that don't correspond with the tables. Rather than a redo, I suggest replace Reactor Link 3+ with Weapon 3+, and Hellst Cannon 4+ with Bridge 2+ which makes it close to the V5.0 book.

Army Cards, multiple cost errors here I'm afrraid:

Hunter and Battlesuit are both more expensive (100 and 200 respectively), though I'm inclined to let these go. Thoughts?

Manta Cadre VP should be 6(9) +8, and cost 1350 (1750)
Recon Cadre VP cost should be 600
Swordfish Cadre cost should be 900

Shas'o Commander special card should be 450 points.
Moray should be 5 and 500
Manta should be 8 and 800.

Shield Drone detachment should be 100
Piranha should be 3 250
Tetra should be 2 200

Again, I have the Battlesuits dearer but think these should stay.

Swordfish Squadron 4 350
Scorpionfish 4 350

Gravitic Submunition 2 VPs

Summary Stats for the Moray and Manta need to reflect the Fore and Aft Burst Cannon.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:28 pm 
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If this is erratta for the Tau book please post it in the proofreading thread. It makes it a bit easier for me to find it in a month when the proofreading is over ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:20 pm 
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The latest pre-Gold was Tau & Kroot V5.4. The correct wording for the Deflectors are:

I have checked it and my last rules
were the most up to date Tau 5.4
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Yeah, but you got all the other things fixed didn't you?

Yes :)
but now you try to refix them right :-\


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:44 pm 
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Moray and Manta: Should add the following to the description for both:

"For the purposes of targeting fliers, the Burst Cannon on the Moray/Manta are considered to be Turret weapons, though this does not override their existing arc of fire."

Moray Template - Single Burst Cannon entry should be replaced by Fore Burst Cannons x6 with a Front 180 degree arc noted, and Aft Burst Cannons x6 with a rear 180 degree arc noted.

The same applies to the Manta, with it's 10 replaced by two lots of 6 Burst Cannon.

Agreed makes more sense

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Army Cards, multiple cost errors here I'm afrraid:

Hunter and Battlesuit are both more expensive (100 and 200 respectively), though I'm inclined to let these go. Thoughts?

Hunter cadre seems okay
but the Battlesuit cadre could be more expensive,
though since the point costs were reduced(200 is too less for a crisis det. IMO) it looks okay

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Manta Cadre VP should be 6(9) +8, and cost 1350 (1750)

Agreed

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Recon Cadre VP cost should be 600

Still voting for 500
even this is expensive
and a recon cadre does not have that punch

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Swordfish Cadre cost should be 900

200 points for the command tank right?
I think there is not a real argument against it
but I am a fan of company discounts ;)
maybe 800 points for the Swordfish cadre

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Shas'o Commander special card should be 450 points.
Moray should be 5 and 500
Manta should be 8 and 800.

all agreed

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Shield Drone detachment should be 100

50 points sounds too nice ;D

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Piranha should be 3 250
Tetra should be 2 200

I still think the Tetras should cost 150

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Again, I have the Battlesuits dearer but think these should stay.

The crisis suits IMO

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Swordfish Squadron 4 350
Scorpionfish 4 350

Swordfish agreed
Scorpionfish maybe 300 it´s still just a tank(AS+2)

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Gravitic Submunition 2 VPs

Summary Stats for the Moray and Manta need to reflect the Fore and Aft Burst Cannon.

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