This list would (logically) be representing a siege force. Sieges would presumably lack a lot of the more mobile elements, due to their inherently more static nature.

Thunderhawks would (to me) feel out of keeping for attacks on emplaced positions - ditto drop pod assaults (though those less so). Plus, the usual caveats about not being "normal list plus stuff" demand sacrifice.

i.e. what zombocom said.

The Siege dread, frogbear, is the Ironwhatever in the current C:SM. At least, that's what I refer to with it.

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Nope that's an Ironclad Dreadnought. A Siege Dreadnought is made by Forgeworld and I linked to a picture on the previous page.

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Yep.
Siege Dreadnought = Assault Cannon Dreadnought but replace Assault Cannon with Flamestorm Cannon and add a Heavy Flamer.
Iron Clad Dreadnought = Assault Cannon Dreadnought but replace Assault Cannon for Hurricane Bolters.

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The CCW also becomes a breaching drill of some kind, granting it a special attack when in CC with bunkers or buildings (Punches the wall then fills the bunker with flame).


Also the Ironclad has heavier armour.

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Actually I more meant the FW one with siege drill and inferno cannon:

so effectively the list represents operations after the initial assault? I would still expect thunderhawk support, if not for transport then for ground attack functions as well as speeders for QRF or harassment of defenders.

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Firstly (and since I'm the only person who suggested getting rid of Thunderhawks), if you read my post you should have noticed that I suggested replacing the standard gunship with the bombing variant. Which still provides ground attack functions. However, everyone being able to zip around the battlefield the same as usual while ground elements are able to use trenches seems to be a pretty big improvement without any real drawback...

Second, again, in order to get the shiny new stuff you have to give up some other stuff. Thus, something has to be removed - and transport Thunderhawks are one of the obvious elements that's less critical to a siege list.

As to why they might not use Landspeeders - they're light, flimsy and as vehicles don't hide particularly well. All of these are bad for protracted siege warfare. On the other hand, they deal well with difficult terrain and are highly mobile. I could see them being used or not being used.

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If it was before the crash, I am guessing this is not going to be found via a search - I just tried using "Siege Dreadnought".

Able to repost stats?

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So any relevant difference on an Epic:A level apart from the stamdard EA+1 MW? Ignore Cover perhaps?

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How about...

Flamestorm Cannon
Powerfist: Extra Attack +1, MW
Heavy Flamer: b/c, Extra attack +1, to hit value=cover save

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To attack something in cover, use the cover save as the to-hit-value.

In contact with a fortification, 3+ to hit
In a building, 4+ to hit
In woods, 5+
etc.

Just a thought, but it would increase the effectiveness somewhat against fortifications, instead of a wholesale Ignore Cover ability, which also is an unresolved issue.

/Fredmans

That sounds far too complex and unnecessary for Epic.

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Siege Dread stats would be something like:

FF3+
CC4+, Macro Weapon
Heavy Flamer, AP4+, 15cm range, ignores cover
Flamestorm Cannon, AP3+, 15cm range, ignores cover

And maybe give ignores cover in the notes.

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I agree. Just Ignore Cover to the +1MW EA is enoughf or the Siege Drill.

Something like this:

Space Marine Siege Dreadnought
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 15cm 3+ 4+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Flamestorm Cannon 15cm AP3+ Ignore Cover
Heavy Flamer 15cm AP4+ Ignore Cover
Siege Drill (base contact) Assault Weapon Macro-weapon, Extra-Attack (+1), Ignore Cover
Notes: Walker, Ignore Cover.

Space Marine Ironclad Dreadnought
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 15cm 3+ 3+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Hurricane Bolter (15cm) Small Arms -
Seismic Hammer (base contact) Assault Weapon Macro-weapon, Extra-Attack (+1)
Notes: Walker.

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