With the most recent post by Steve54 on the LatD and the BL list, I noticed that Defilers are to be counted as a 3+ Initiative.

Seeing the threads were locked, I guess I have to ask in a different thread - hence this one.

If I am not mistaken, we now have a Chaos list that has:

Black Legion
Initiative 1+ for troops
Initiative 2+ for Daemon Engines
Initiative 3+ for Defilers

LatD
Initiative 3+ for troops and Defiler Engines
Initiative 2+ for Daemon Engines

1. Why are Defilers so different to Daemon Engines?
2. Why are defilers in the LatD list? IMO they do not really fit in the non-marine backdrop.
3. Is it really necessary for the BL list to have 3 different initiavive ratings?
4. What has brought about the change to initiative?

Finally, will the Cult lists have to comply with adding a 3+ initiative to their lists or is it believed that they are more controlled in these forces to the whim of a central 'God'?

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There is a thread about it. Not going to look for it now but Daemons engines (which include defilers) were made 2+ init.

Steve54 contacted me already and I am sure he will come out with something soon-ish

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Hmm. Probably

My recommendation became that all Daemon engines are 3+ with Cult lists always having the +1 to Initiative (therby 2+ Initiative) due to fulfilling the factions rule.

Rather than list Daemon Engines as 3+ in the Cult lists, it would be preferable to have them simply list 2 sets of initiative without a factions rule needing to be inserted. So 1+ for *blah* and 2+ for *blah* and Daemon Engines.

Although it makes sense as I am looking at it now, the initial post about the changes had me confused and asking questions. It is easy to see something as a person who knows the lists, yet I am always looking at how a new 'gamer' to Epic:A will see things and whether it will be confusing.

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Faction rule doesn't exist in Red Corsairs too. But there are 5 different named formations of Daemon Engines and mention their Initiative in the header is a bit space consuming

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Hmmm would create very long names. Perhabs i add a separate section for Daemon Engines and/or Cult forces/allies.

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or just add a "*for the purposes of this list, daemon engines refer to the following units: blah blah blah" to the page somewhere. shouldnt take too much space up, and you can move it away from the header if you so wish

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After consulting varios people I'm leaning towards-

BL - everything 2+ initiative so, in practice, 1+ when not within hated range and 2+ for air+space

LatD - all 3+ except air units 2+ so, in practice, all 2+ when not within hatred range.

Then other lists can go with what suits them best - I know Frogbear is happy with 2+ for daemon engines and I think thats fine having a 1+/2+ split un his army with the number of units affected and also it fits with the fluff+feel of the amry. As with Emperors children. Whilst 1+ across the board is more suited for a less splintered/undisciplined army like TS.

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Thanks Steve

Can you please confirm that (potential) 1+ initiative Daemon engines will be priced more that the 2+ engines?

Can you please give an update on the BL Defiler costing (at 2+/1+) as opposed to the LatD (3+/2+). At present you have BL defilers at 250 points which seems a little cheap for me when they are a 1+ unit (as the factions rule would rarely take effect I would think).

Just trying to gain the parity while working on the changes.

Thanks

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They will be increased in price , I'll edit the BL+LATD thread tomorrow

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BL+LATD list thread updated with initiative changes. Cult lists can proceed with daemon engine initiative to suit their list.

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