I do not know about the Tau fluff too.
A ts-1 or-2 is good enough for battlesuits
if you want more you have to pay it
and I dont want to pay 500-600 point per det.

They are scary good at brewing up tanks and crippling titans already.....I for one wouldn't want them even more powerful. Still, if there's justification and agreement....

Agreed
I am still for:
light
medium
and heavy

But the mighty mighty fluff tells us

So, me and Pettan have ripped into each other with the Tau, and I think it´s all about tactics and battle size. If you remember I posted a major rant about the Squats totally annihilating my Tau after one shooting phase. Now, in retrospect (since the anguish of defeat since long has evaporated) my take on it is that in high point battles where the units are crowded, the Tau will invariably get nuked by heavy hitting shooter armies, like the squats. They simply cannot use their mobility and shoot-and-go abilities to any extent.

We have played a couple of Tau games since then and they have certainly delivered when we have been able to use them as intended. A major error I did the first time was to move the mantas/morays into range of medium heavy guns. If they are allowed to hover in the way back and pummel titans/praetorians with those heavy railguns, it´s only a very unlucky die roll that can bring them down.

Apart from that the crisis suit shoot-on-the-fly ability has been a game breaker. The shas-o and shas-el commander movement give them an unprecedented range of guerilla shooting, which make them ,despite their high cost, invaluable units.

A thing I agree with is that the Broadsides are a bit hefty in cost. This has resuled in that we rarely have used them. They are simply too brittle. 400 pts should be just right, that brings them into range with eldar exarchs.

I totally agree with you here
I am sure without
the fire on the fly abillity
I would have lost one or more Tau games

Yep they turned out to be a good unit
but are too fragile for higher point costs

A manta can be shoot down with the first hit
Thats why I played the shields a bit different
If you do not save the shoot fired on the manta
it just looses one shield
With this you have to hit it 12 times on average
thats good but still not overpowered IMO

In my first battle with the Tau the manta was hit 6 times
and took a hit to the bridge bevore unloading troops
If I did not save the shoot
I could have lost 1400 points at once

In our most recent game the Manta dropped close to the middle of the board, took a full turn of First Fire from everything that could unload on it and survived, only to be dropped by a detachment of CSMs in the first shot of Advance. This was a pretty outlandish result as the shot had to stay on target, he had to fail an easy save, and I needed a big result on the bridge hit (a 6). If the Manta had have been even 10cm further back it would have taken a fraction of the fire and the CSMs would never have got the shot. If you are agressive and drop a Manta up field you really should expect to lose it eventually. If they hover at the baseline and blast they are close to unstoppable.

Really, with Deflector Fields they are better protected than an Eldar titan.

Hmm am I right, that there are still no existing rules for the
hammerhead with twin linked plasma rifles and twin linked burst cannons
I posted my suggestions somewhere but:
TW burst cannon: 4x+4/50cm/TS-1 burst or missile pods
TW plasma rifle 2x+3/50cm/TS-2 burst or missile pods

Are the rules for the tigershark remora drone carrier done?


cheers
Ule

Sounds like we may as well add them straight to the Gold book, but I'd guess that you'll need to supply photos

Did we agree on rules for the remora carrier....I think we were still debating last I remember....

I second this, we were not finished

I am glad to say that I can supply pics of each HH variant now

Why does the HH with railgun has missile pods in its stats
while the model is equipped with burst cannons?

I am not sure, but every HH variant carries missile pods
only the HH with railguns has burst cannons
maybe we should swap that too

cheers

ule

I second this, we were not finished

I am glad to say that I can supply pics of each HH variant now

Why does the HH with railgun has missile pods in its stats
while the model is equipped with burst cannons?

I am not sure, but every HH variant carries missile pods
only the HH with railguns has burst cannons
maybe we should swap that too

cheers

ule

uups double posting

here are all HH variants
no scratchbuilding or conversions

From left to right:
TWL Burst C., IonC., TWL PlasmaC., TWL FusionC., Railgun

Secondary weapons:
missileP., missileP., missileP., missileP., BurstC.





Hmm like Warlords, but still there is the Warp missile

I think you are referring to the fact
that holofields are useless against barrage weapons?
I think with the scattering of template weapons the holofield is a bit better
since it stays intact as long the wings are operating
and is not limited

I have to admit, that we are still buying no titan weapons
a warlock/warlord still costs 500 points buyed in a battle group
which is much cheaper than 800 for a manta

Do not get me wrong,
the squats still have no Battlegroups
with a discount
but with the damage tables,
the squat pretoreans are well balanced to other races

I will try the manta with 4 shields in my next battles
all saving on +3
this gives the manta 8 hits on average

I have thought about the
remora drone carrier too

If its concipated for air superiority
it should be able to attack enemy aircarfts
or at least defending own bombers or ground attack aircrafts

maybe with 3 orders:
- air superiority(advanced): charge all enemy fighters/fighterbomber(no SH flyers) in range if it fails to reach enemy flyers
it should fire at the closest air target in range during advanced(pretty much like the NIDS HUNT order/instinct)

- escort(charge): choose,during order phase, a single model or friendly unit
the drone will escort the model/unit during this turn
the drone will intercept any incoming(charging) enemy flyers
trys to block any incoming shots on +4


-ground attack(first fire): choose a enemy ground unit or single model during order phase
the drone will attack the target and strafing it with its burst cannons and seeker missiles during advanced

in the end phase each surviving drone
returns to its operating tigershark

2 drones operating
1 drone protecting tigershark
1 reserve

there should be an operating radius
maybe 120cm in total
for example:
within 20 cm of a TRDC is another tigershark with railguns
now you order 2 drones to escort it during this turn
the drones move to the RailGT loosing 20cm
now the escort the RailGT up to 60cm this turn
they now have 40cm to return to their operating TRDC

we should balance this or any other rules for the TRDC with the stats for the drones
which should not that difficult

just some thoughts

Actually, more that to get a 3+ holofield save an Eldar titan has to be on advance, while a Manta/Moray can be on first fire and still get a 3+ fixed save. I think that and the fact that it isn't ignored by barrages make it significantly better than a holofield.

There is no discount for Titan battle groups....Warlords always cost 500 for the basic chassis and then you pay for the weapons!

hmm okay but a eldar titan gets a +2 on charge
and it is not that threaten by warp missiles
which tunred out to be a No1 titan killer/pretorean IMO

I think the difference is not that much
both shields/fields are bad

We never pay for weapons
A warlord with
Deathstrike missile launcher,2xQuakeC., VulcanoC. and Fire control center still costs 500 points(in a Battlegroup)
or 750 points as single model


What do you think about the Reora drone carrier
and to swith the Tau HH secondary weapons?

best regards

ule

Sorry, completely missed the fact that you dont use the weapons costing rules for titans. Wow.....that's a different way to do it. I assume everyone plays Titan Legions armies then.
However, pretty sure that's not the norm so dont use it as the basis of a comparison :-)

For the HHs and TRDC write out detachment size/cost and stats in the usual format + any special rules and I'll take a close look.