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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:48 am 
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See I am uninformed, I didn't even know we were talking about Sentinels. I thought we were talking about the Elysians little cars in 3 unit formations. lol =)

@E&C: Its okay, I don't mind you being a narcissist as long as the Magical fingers keeps making little 6mm shiny stuff =)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:51 am 
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And i didn't know you where talking about the Tauros ;D

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@E&C: Its okay, I don't mind you being a narcissist as long as the Magical fingers keeps making little 6mm shiny stuff =)

Careful, you'll make me big-headded. :-)

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And i didn't know you where talking about the Tauros ;D

I was just referring to whatever your OP was referring too....lol so either? =)


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Both :)

Actually i only looked up if the Elysians use their Sentinels in COmpany string formations. And yes they do.

For the Tauros it is rarer. In IA8 they said that it was unusal to deploy all Tauros together but they did.

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So after finishing my late night games of Settlers online and going to the head for a bit(I think I know how child birth feels kinda of)I decided to go over the list and look at it before I keep giving you my opinion =)

Why is it called Valkyrie Airborne Assault Carrier? Why not just Valkyrie like the other IG lists? I had to go look up to see if the stats were the same or different.

Under the Valk's Transport options it says "Drop Units" So I could take Sentinels in it? Maybe clarify to Drop Infantry?

Drop Sentinels Upgrade? Why 3? Why not 2 or 4? I know they run in squads of 3 but there just a add on more than in squads? I just think an even number would be better for the Sky Talon add on's.

I assume Imperial Navy is 1/3 of the list allowances? Doesn't state any.

Why does the SC get a ML?

Why not have a ML per every two Drop Inf?

Why would I ever take Special Weapons over Fire Support? Same stats expect Fire Support gets a shooty weapons. Why not give Speaical Weapons units Flamers or Meltaguns? I was looking at the FW site and they have them listed for sale?

Also in the list there listed as Fire Support and in the datafaxes there just Support.

Why is the Vulture Weapons loadout different than the standard IG list? And if that is so why not a different pattern or name?

Why is the only difference between the Tauros and the Venator are the weapons choices? Why not LV and AV? Maybe too much. Or at least a 5cm boost in speed? Or a Inv Save or Reinforced Armour? Or something....

Just My 2 Cents...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:49 am 
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[color=#00FF00]So after finishing my late night games of Settlers online and going to the head for a bit(I think I know how child birth feels kinda of)I decided to go over the list and look at it before I keep giving you my opinion =)


Cheers! :)

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Why is it called Valkyrie Airborne Assault Carrier? Why not just Valkyrie like the other IG lists? I had to go look up to see if the stats were the same or different.

I like to use the full name of a given unit. ANd stericktly speaking there is a difference to the rulebook Valkyrie as it can transport Drop Infantry, etc too ;)

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Under the Valk's Transport options it says "Drop Units" So I could take Sentinels in it? Maybe clarify to Drop Infantry?

I will try to clarify it without stating every single unit it can transport. Yes the Valkyrie can only transport Infantry units.

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Drop Sentinels Upgrade? Why 3? Why not 2 or 4? I know they run in squads of 3 but there just a add on more than in squads? I just think an even number would be better for the Sky Talon add on's.

3 Sentinels are a full squadron. And you can't attach more than 3 Sentinels to a Platoon inWh40k either.

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I assume Imperial Navy is 1/3 of the list allowances? Doesn't state any.

Thats in the rulebook page reference.

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Why does the SC get a ML?

One of the few infantry units which can get a heavy weapon.

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Why not have a ML per every two Drop Inf?

Elysian Infantry isn't equipped with heavy weapons.

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Why would I ever take Special Weapons over Fire Support? Same stats expect Fire Support gets a shooty weapons. Why not give Speaical Weapons units Flamers or Meltaguns? I was looking at the FW site and they have them listed for sale?

Only Plasmaguns would have a shooting attackin Epic. So i gave them a better FF value. Points cost is off i agree. They should be only 25 points.

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Also in the list there listed as Fire Support and in the datafaxes there just Support.

I will fix that.

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Why is the Vulture Weapons loadout different than the standard IG list? And if that is so why not a different pattern or name?

The Vulture (and the model) IS armed with a Twin Multilaser. The rulebook got it wrong.

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Why is the only difference between the Tauros and the Venator are the weapons choices? Why not LV and AV? Maybe too much. Or at least a 5cm boost in speed? Or a Inv Save or Reinforced Armour? Or something....

Because that IS the difference :) Ok the Venator gets +1 on the front armour but thats all. They are Open-topped, Fast vehicles in Wh40k. Equivalent would be an Ork Buggy but with the Galvanic Motors they are abit sturdier but slower in Epic.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:28 am 
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BlackLegion wrote:
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Drop Sentinels Upgrade? Why 3? Why not 2 or 4? I know they run in squads of 3 but there just a add on more than in squads? I just think an even number would be better for the Sky Talon add on's.

3 Sentinels are a full squadron. And you can't attach more than 3 Sentinels to a Platoon inWh40k either.

So could you we just add 2? Or 2-3 option? I think this will even the transports better.

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Why would I ever take Special Weapons over Fire Support? Same stats expect Fire Support gets a shooty weapons. Why not give Speaical Weapons units Flamers or Meltaguns? I was looking at the FW site and they have them listed for sale?

Only Plasmaguns would have a shooting attack in Epic. So i gave them a better FF value. Points cost is off i agree. They should be only 25 points.

Multi-Melta's have an attack, don't they? In the list they both have FF 4+ and everything is exactly the same expect Support had ML. Is this a cut and paste error then?

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Why is the Vulture Weapons loadout different than the standard IG list? And if that is so why not a different pattern or name?

The Vulture (and the model) IS armed with a Twin Multilaser. The rulebook got it wrong.

Well even if its not WYSIWYG it should be the same as the main IG list unless its listed as a variant.

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Why is the only difference between the Tauros and the Venator are the weapons choices? Why not LV and AV? Maybe too much. Or at least a 5cm boost in speed? Or a Inv Save or Reinforced Armour? Or something....
Because that IS the difference :) Ok the Venator gets +1 on the front armour but thats all. They are Open-topped, Fast vehicles in Wh40k. Equivalent would be an Ork Buggy but with the Galvanic Motors they are abit sturdier but slower in Epic.

I guess so. It just seems like a lame difference. We can't give the Venator +5cm speed or Walker or something?

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Elysian Sentry Gun Battery (perhaby included as a 3 unit garrison-able formation?)

Maybe? What would there be the profile? Weapon? Speed 10cm? Formation of 5 might be better but if its a three thing then 6?


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 Post subject: Re: Elysian "BL-Series" List
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:56 am 
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Not sure about the 2-3 option.

Veterans can be equiped with Meltaguns NOT Multi-meltas.

Well it's a Vulture "Gunship" not a Vulture :D

Both Tauros and Tauros Venator already have Walker.

Elysian Tarantula Sentry Guns would be an immobile unit with a Twin Heavy Bolter or Twin Lascannon with only a 30cm range.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:19 pm 
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Tarantulas provide a problem.
Is it an artillery piece as Ork Big Gunz, Baran Thudd Guns/Rapiers(= Infantry) or a Light Vehicle as it has no crew?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:20 pm 
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So...

Some major changes:
- Added the Flyer and Independent Transport special abilities.
- Added the Air Cavalry Support Formation.
- Corrected the speed of the Valkyrie, Vendetta and Sky Talon.
- Removed the +5pts surcharge for Vendettas.

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Not at all in favour of the Flyer rule; skimmer or aircraft, pick one or the other.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Please, number the pages, it's much easier to reassemble when the printed pages falls on the ground ^^


Page 1 : "Imperial Guard Drop Commander unit, six Imperial Guard Drop Infantry units and four Valkyrie Airborne Assault Carriers (one for Drop Commander)"

Why "one for Drop Commander" ? There is no reason to put background information in the army list.
There is no special rule attached to these words, isn't it ? (such "the Drop Commander V.A.A.C. can only transport Drop Commander units)

Page 2 : I'm not a great fan of the "Iron Discipline". Drop troops are not Squats ^^

Page 2 : Flyer ... ::)

Page 2 : "Flyer" : "Non-AA-units on Overwatch can shoot at them as if they where ground units of the appropiate type."
Non-AA-units can always shoot at ground targets, no matter of the type.
Exemples : an eldar Ranger (with AP5+) CAN shoot at a Leman Russ; a Space Marine Predator Annihilator CAN shoot at Shining Spears. The effect of the shoot will be of course minimal (only blast marker, for being under fire).

Page 2 : profile of the Drop SC : "(base cotnact)"

Page 3 : profile of the Drop Commander, Drop Infantry : "(base cotnact)"

Page 5 : so, VAAC & Vendetta can also transport Drop Sentinels ? They are "Drop" units and VAAC & Vendetta can transport any two "Drop" units.

Page 5 : EMPEROR CLASS BATTLESHIP : "Orbital Bimbardement"

Page 5 : LUNAR CLASS CRUISER : "Orbital Bimbardement", shifting of the 'Pin-point attack' line

Page 5 : LIGHTNING STRIKE : shifting of the '2 x Underwing Rocket' line


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 Post subject: Re: Elysian "BL-Series" List
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:35 pm 
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First: Thank you for replying to my lonely endeavour :D

@"one for Commander": Blame the rulebook's Steel Legion armylist as this is the exact spelling for the Mechanised Infantry Company and Regimental HQ.

@Iron Discipline: It's in Honda's list and as Drop Platoons tend to be rather smalland brittle they can make good use of this.

@AA/AP/AT: Well i wanted to point out that their approach and disengagement moves count both as Aircraft (can be hit/destroyed by AA attacks because they fly high enough) and as ground unit (can be hit/destroyed by AP/ AT attacks because they fly slow enough).

@Typos: Thank you :)

@"Drop units": I don't want to spell out every single unit they could transport. But i changed it to "two Infantry units" to exclude Sentinels and Venators.

@Page numbers: Too lazy :D

Edit: BL-V2.1 with corrected typos now downloadable in the attachment of the first posting.

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