I think it's perfectly acceptable, and definitely legal, especially given the fact that some lists explicitly disallow it.

Chaos don't allow it, but I can't find the reference in the NetEA draft that Necrons have a similar restriction.

Morgan Vening

A dreadnaught with a chaplain makes a nice venerable dreadnaught rules-wise.

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Having re-read the rules I think it can be taken either way personally. To me 'The formation they are taken as an upgrade for' indicates the 'formation' that you bought before adding any upgrades.

I think it's probably legal in the same way that Commissars in Titans is legal, and to be frank if I thought someone was abusing it at a tournament they'd lose generalship points from me....

I look forward to the abuse this will be put to now it's been raised, but agree some of the combos are very fluffy

The new Blood Angels Codex will have a Librarian Dreadnought too.

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It's been raised about 50 times before and noted as allowed many times.

Heck the first thing TRC does whenever someone proposes stats for new vehicles like the Land Raider Redeemer is say things like "I'd stick a Librarian in that!".


For the Marine list I have a hard time seeing any particular combos as game breaking... I mean, Character Dreadnoughts are a nice fun idea... but they're going to be a single AV attached to an Inf. formation, with average CC and FF ratings (not optimised like a Devestator unit or an Assault unit).

Land Raider Commander? Well his MWCC attack would become a 6+, and it isn't *that* hard to kill a Land Raider attached to a Devestator formation...

What's left?

Chaplain Vindicator??


Yeah, but it costs 50pts instead of being free, and is totally in line with the background instead of being just a WAAC "game rule".

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Pick the nost benign example E&C

Fair enough if it's how everyone plays it I suppose, still not really in the spirit of the game in my opinion bu there we go!

Done that a few times (around 2005/2006)

I remember one game in particular, a very early test game against Tyranids (didn't know I was to play them).

We were playing 6000 point games at the time so I took a LC with 3 assault formations and a vindicator formation (testing 2 FF attacks at the time) all with chaplains just to see what it would do.

I've done Librarian Vindicator as well.  High FF value and short range makes them good for supporting assaults, where the Librarian can use the Smite power without being directly involved in the assault.

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"Smite" Vindicator ...nice... sounds like experimental munitions to me!

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I think of Librarians, Chaplains et al in vehicle formations as Techmarines.  

This also lets me use up excess Techmarine figures.

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