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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:35 am 
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I have one of these:
http://uk.daylightcompany.com/home/product/?id=96

Having used many different types of lamp over the years, especially when I was painting full time, this is by far the best I found.

It is expensive, but is worth it if you do a LOT of painting. After 6/7 years, my one is just in the past few weeks starting to go on the blink & whilst I'm totally broke, I'm still trying to figuire out how to afford a replacement of the same - I cant paint without it!

In fact, yes, that is the other drawback. You get so used to painting in good lighting with these that painting elsewhere becomes quite hard work & tough on the eyes once you're used to pampering them!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:43 pm 
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I'm thinking of going part time at work when i get back from Oz to do some volunteering and make a go of commision painting so one of those lamps does indeed look like the vest bet Paul...for the current budget though think I'll go with the Ikea Model,
thanks all for the advice,
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:45 pm 
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Quote: (AceWasabi @ Jan. 16 2010, 06:27 )

I use this, it gives great light and clamps to the table edge securely. It comes from Ikea and is only $20 US. They sell the replacement bulbs for a couple dollars each, bought 2 when I bought the lamp though I'm still using the original. This is probably the same lamp that someone else mentioned in this thread as it does flicker a bit for the first couple minutes, but I just let it warm up while I'm getting organized. I like this so much I bought a couple for other work spaces around the house.


Thats the one i use :agree:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:02 pm 
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Quote: (Zog @ Jan. 17 2010, 21:45 )


Thats the one i use :agree:

Yep, me and all! It's a good lamp.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Just another note to anyone thinking of investing in one of the lamps I suggested- one of the main benefits is that the bulb section doesn't heat up at all.

What does heat up a little is the transformer, which is mounted at the base of the arm. This can normally be kept at good distance from your painting subject however, so isn't an issue. What I do is paint in the corner of my workshop. I mount the lamp on the worktop perpendicular from my painting area, behind me. This way the lamp comes neatly over my shoulder to illuminate my entire painting area without actually taking any of the space up in front of me. It also keeps that transformer well away from anything which the heat might effect.

Just Thought it might be a useful trick for other models too :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:23 pm 
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Actually I use the exact same lamp as Paul, so I'll subscribe to everything he's said so far. However the high price definitely makes it an investment you'll only want to make if you paint a lot. It is worth noting that the company that makes the lamps also sell daylight corrected bulbs that you could fit in the Ikea lamp. I will however still stress that as good as the Daylight lamps definitely are, they're still not as good as proper daylight.

Does anyone have any experience with LED bulbs? It definitely seems like an interesting option for miniature painting as they combine low heat and power consumption with a full coverage of the color spectrum which flourescent light can only achieve partially.
http://www.ecplaza.net/tradele....ht.html

http://ledke.en.ecplaza.net/


Just an illustration that shows the basic problem with flourescent lighting compared to true daylight. The way I understand it, by using mixes of reds yellows and blue LEDs inside the same bulb (same way you make stage light BTW) you get a much broader color spectrum without the "spikes" of flourescent light. This should ensure a much more exact color reproduction whan what is achievable with the more commonly used lightsources of today.


Anyway: For bulbs, whatever you get, try aiming for 5500 Kelvin if possible.




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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:26 pm 
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ive had problems buying inexpensive painting lamps in that the connection between the lamp and "arm" tends to be too loose to hold the lamp in the position i place it. how do the ikea lamps hold up in that respect?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:56 pm 
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LED sound promising - I can't use fluorescents (I'm one of those that is sensitive to the frequency - gives me headaches), and while I like my halogen bulb, it does get a bit too warm for some applications.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:49 pm 
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5500 Kelvin

huh ? as in 5226.85 celsius ? hot lamp, im miisunderstanding somthing here.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:10 am 
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Not sure exactly why it is called that, but Kelvin is also used to measure color temperature (and is what your digital camera's white balance also tries to compensate for). Ironically "cooler" colors have a higher Kelvin value than warmer colors. Daylight is something like 5500 Kelvin while flourescent lighting or a very cloudy day is usually somewhere in the 7000ish and tungsten bulbs in the 3000ish (just rough figures off the top of my head). This can be handy to know when photographing stuff. Usually your digicam will auto-white balance, but knowing the rough color temperature of the light you're photographing in also allows you to pre-program your camera, allowing for particular effects, or adjustments.
It doesn't matter so much today when you can adjust most things on a computer, but if your shooting with analogue film (it has its charms and uses :;): ) it can be quite important.


Anyway: The diagram shown above with the 100% axis I belive represents the so called CRI or Ra index. The higher the more accurate color rendering on the lit object. As you can see the flourescent light has peaks where it renders very well and other areas where it doesn't do so well. Natural light is more evenly distributed. The interesting part about LED is that it claims a 92-95% CRI, which is also part of the reason why the technology is being looked upon with such great interest both within the medical sciences, art, or the graphic business. However I haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet (I'm on a very tight budget these days), but without doubt it is the future. Furthermore LED technology allows you to custom remove any parts of the color spectrum you don't need, such as ultraviolet colors. Or, in the case of greenhouses: optimize the blue tones of light which stimulates photosynthesis.




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:48 am 
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Quote: (Warmaster Nice @ Jan. 18 2010, 23:10 )

Not sure exactly why it is called that...

When matter gets warm, it emits radiation. Both the intensity and frequency of that radiation is dependent on the temperature. The hotter the object, the further towards the blue end of the spectrum the radiation is (blue light having more energy per photon than red). For most objects, that radiation is well into the infra-red, but for very hot objects it extends into the visible light spectrum. The surface of the sun has a temperature of about 5500K. The filaments in incandescent lightbulbs are cooler than the sun, so the light they give is comparatively biased towards the red end of the spectrum. Fluorescent lighting, although not hotter than the sun, emits light that is biased towards the blue end of the spectrum relative to sunlight, which is what a light source hotter than the sun would do.

Thus the 'colour temperature' of a light source describes which end of the spectrum the light is biased towards based on the colour of light emitted by an object at that temperature.




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:05 am 
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right, so related to the black body radiation values. thanks Axel, makes sense now.   :yay:

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