The points cost for HellBlades and HellTalons in the list and the pdf are contradicting. Which one is correct?

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Not sure I like this. Don't have much of an issue with the costs, but the change to 1+ Init is very significant. It makes Chaos the superior air force. No other army in the game handles air operations without chance of fail. Yes, I know Orks can Intercept or Ground Attack on 1+, but CAP on 3+. If Marines and Tau can't get 1+ Fighter screens, I can't see why Chaos do.  

Oh, and have no issue with the Spacecraft, couldn't give a rats.  

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Didn't noticed that. AFAIK Chaos Aircrafts are piloted only by Servitors and not by CSMs.

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Nice to see the new lists up for reference and download. However, being a LatD player (in assembly mode), I cannot help but to feel that most of the LatD changes are due to Black Legion needing changes, and not in their own right. These are my main concerns (before playtesting).

The faction rules seem to favour mono-God + undivided armies heavily, where the previous version favoured two-God armies. Personally, I liked the daemonic circus. I was planning on using three deitys in 3K, but I think that would be a problem with these changes. These are my personal regrets, but I would like to hear other LatD players/assemblers thoughts on this. I am not playing this list to go undivided. That is Black Legion to me, or Red Corsairs. Furthermore, the points' drops are really hard to factor as a compensation for worse faction rules, because the effect is determined through army composition. A 3-god army fares much worse than a mono-god/undivided army.

I also feel that the Defiler change is due to Black Legion army issues. In LatD it had a very specific role, Daemonic artillery, which to me is way cooler than Traitor Basilisks. Thanks to O-man, the models are too cool to leave out anyway, so I will be happy to try them out, but their function in the LatD list has been altered drastically.

To end the remark in a positive way, I really like how the Chaos lists have been awakened from their slumber in a flurry of forum activity thanks to you, Steve54.

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Defilers lost their indirect fire mode in Warhammer 40,000 more than a year ago now, they are concretely and very specifically armed with Battlecannons these days.

So we're following that pretty major role redefinition from Warhammer 40,000, from arty to close-combat Daemon Engine.

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This is awesome. I have finally got home to read and comment on the changes

I feel that I have playtested the majority of the changes that specifically effect the World Eaters so I think I can provide some input into these with some clout I hope  



All the above: I have no opinions at this time




Meh




I have used and or adopted many of these changes for the past 6 months and they are all fine




This is interesting indeed. The Ravager was the poor cousin to the Warhound and the Banelord. Perhaps this will make it a juicier choice. I will have to look at it more in depth to decide, but overall, good to see this is being looked at.

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As per Morgan's concerns, Chaos should not be leading the way with 1+ initiative aircraft. Just my view..


Cheap Cads. Getting an SC for so little is criminal  




meh



I do not believe I would buy this.




Yay! Playtested and approved!



Harbinger is too expensive at 450 points. 5+ RA with an instant kill on a Crit is a killer. Please, prove me wrong..




These are easy changes and I feel that I at least was personally responsible for the Hellblades rising so happy about this.

That's it from me. Now to go compare the changes (or lack there-of   ) with the World Eater list

Cheers....  

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Not too fussed. The World Eater Assault engines are different and weaker (no reinforced armour) yet also cheaper and therefore making the army a little more flexible when competing as they are restricted in other ways that the Black Legion are not.

300 points for a Fearless, RA, INV save and +D3 attacks is quite a good buy in this list.

If anything, they may be too cheap.

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I am kinda interested to see how this affects things; the CSM Cruiser was already the best spacecraft in the game IMO...

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A more practical note. I think the Chaos Altar is missing from the unit reference list, or am I very tired?

/Fredmans

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Nope, it *is* missing!  I'll put it into the next document.  D'OH!

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I think these are the wrong way round on the actual PDF..  

That aside, I like what you've done with this, I like the structure - cool thing is, I don't need to restructure my Iron Warriors army, which was originally dran up 4 years ago, however many versions ago of the BL that was!  

I like the look of both of the lists.

I'm not big on the 40K fluff but as for balanced lists to game with they should both be OK with a little testing.

I share the concern for the 1+ initiative on Chais Navy formations. Especially having used Swiftdeaths at a tournament recently and found they were a lot better than they had been portraid and Hellblades seem even better than them.

I like the auto inclusion of the Daemonic Pact for Covens, hopefully this will balance the new factions rule.

Only if you feel daemons are worth it.

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For me, Cultist armies have much more of a use for Daemons than Chaos Marine armies, so I'm glad for the "freebie".

I'm also, as a LatD player, glad about the change to the Faction rule as it makes it a matter of a "tough choice" to include the best options from each Faction now as opposed to having the usual "odd couples" all the time.  Many people played successfully with "hated" formations in the same army, you just have to be more careful now, and, to me, that's a good thing.

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