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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:37 pm 
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Further unit reviews have seen the folloowing for the next version:

1. Ogryns Berserkers (in the Abhuman upgrade) will be priced in line with Dreadnoughts and will be an option of 2 for 50 points. The cheaper points is offset that you cannot buy them individually and you can only buy 2 for a unit.

2. Onslaught upgrade will go from 125 points per two units to 50 points each unit with the option of buying 1-4. This should assist to cement their role as garrison or blitz supports for Chosen or Berserkers over Dreadnoughts who are favoured for the Dreadclaw assaults.

The supplement will also be split for now with the Army list (which gets the consistent updates) and the Appendix forming two seperate documents in the thread side by side until the updates become more stable.

This will also allow people to keep up with the latest version of the army list without having to download 3+mb each time.

I will get the latest version out asap to help everyone keep up with the changes.




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:37 am 
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Quote: (frogbear @ Dec. 28 2009, 20:37 )

Further unit reviews have seen the folloowing for the next version:

1. Ogryns Berserkers (in the Abhuman upgrade) will be priced in line with Dreadnoughts and will be an option of 2 for 50 points. The cheaper points is offset that you cannot buy them individually and you can only buy 2 for a unit.

I have been berrated it appears.

The above change for the Ogryn Berserkers should be 75 points for the 2 units.

So many changes, and so little time   :down:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:16 pm 
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Keep it up, mate! You are doing just fine!  :D

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:14 pm 
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Total Playtests: 20 Games

Well we reach a milestone with the 20th game being reported on and the list taking on a range of improvements and changes for the upcoming version. It has been a 'roller coaster' ride of discussions, playtests, and self achievements that has led up to this point. I am confident that the next version that comes out will continue to be a strong and competative list which captures the element of the World Eaters.  

Going into 2010, I hope to have some people abroad testing the list.

Acknowledgments and recognitions will be given in the upcoming update to thank all those for their input and assistance. I will continue to update the list and bring it to a point where it can be frozen for a year. I will also devote some time to other pet projects that will be released in early 2010 with any luck.   :grin:

Version 1.x series of Playtests - 11 Games

- vs Space Marines - as a player vs Drew  World Eaters V1.3.1 with December 2009 changes +  Scorpion Engines addition
- vs Imperial Guard - as a player vs Trog     World Eaters V1.3.1 with December 2009 changes
- vs Death Guard - as a player vs Blish     World Eaters V1.3.1
- vs Black Legion - as an opponent vs TRC    World Eaters V1.3.1
- vs Tau - as a player vs Morgan   World Eaters V1.3
- vs Marines - as a player vs Trog   World Eaters V1.3
- vs Iyanden - as a player vs Blish   World Eaters V1.2
- vs Imperial Guard - as a player vs LeanonRuss  World Eaters v1.2
- vs Imperial Guard - as a player vs LeanonRuss    World Eaters V1.1
- vs Orks - as a player vs TRC   World Eaters V1.1
- vs Tau - as a player vs Dobbsy   World Eaters V1.0

Version 0.9.1 Playtests - 2 Games
- vs Space Marines - as an opponent vs Blish
- vs Eldar - as a player vs LeanonRuss


Version 0.9 Playtests - 3 Games

World Eaters Post Skalathrax - 3 Games
- vs Feral Orks - as a player vs Blish
- vs Orks - as a player vs Blish
- vs Space Marines - as a player vs Drew


World Eaters Heresy/Post Heresy - Held off for V0.9.1 tests


Version 0.8 Playtests - 4 games
- vs Space Marines - as an opponent vs Morgan
- vs Tau - as a player vs Morgan
- vs Eldar - as a player vs Drew
- vs Feral Orks - as a player vs Blish




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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:01 am 
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Well imust say i liv ehow this listhas been develioped :) I truly looks like a ragtag World Eaters warband  :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:43 am 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Dec. 31 2009, 09:01 )

Well imust say i liv ehow this listhas been develioped :) I truly looks like a ragtag World Eaters warband  :D

Thanks BL

Hoping to get an update out soonish...  

I will try and tie it in with the Chaos update that is due out as well  :yay:




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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:25 pm 
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I have done some work on the stats for the Greater Brass Scorpion and decided that 200 points is too high for the list.

Now by itself as a single unit it is 200 points. In a formation where you are forced to take more than one, then I feel it's real cost should be 175, so that is what I am going to go with for tomorrow's game.


FB, not that I mind, but what sort of information led you to the decision to drop the price of the GBS?

BL: Are the Red Corsair BScorps going to be costed the same as here or vice versa?

Regarding the Berserker Ogryns, I know E&C costed them 3 units for 100 pts in the Vraks Renegades list. In the interests of consistency, would that make sense here?

Congratulations on reaching your milestone!

Happy New Year!

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The Red Corsairs only use the DC2 version of the Brass Scorpion. They don't have access to the DC3 Greater Brass Scorpion.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:23 am 
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Quote: (Honda @ Jan. 01 2010, 02:25 )

FB, not that I mind, but what sort of information led you to the decision to drop the price of the GBS?

Comparing them directly to the Feral titan and a range of other units that I cannot remember at the moment. They are definately not worth the full 200 points and so 175 is the next level. They really are not that great with 30cm range, but than can be3 useful in the right setup - not that I have found that yet   :laugh:

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Regarding the Berserker Ogryns, I know E&C costed them 3 units for 100 pts in the Vraks Renegades list. In the interests of consistency, would that make sense here?


Well that is cheaper than I have them (I did not know he had them that cheap). I will continue with what I have them for at the moment as one thing that epic does not seem to do and that is price things differently across lists - so this may be a start. Just because it is priced one way in another list, it does not mean it could not change between lists depending on their effectiveness and role.

The other point is that I have tested these guys now in a few games and although they foot-slog it across the table, they have one of the best saves in the list and are counted as 'disposable' when in a unit with World Eater Berserkers (something that the Vraks list does not do). In this regard, you would expect maybe that they should pay a little premium   :)

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Congratulations on reaching your milestone!


Thanks dude. It was tough, but we got there. Now I better make sure I give some time back to the family or that will be my next uphill battle   :down:

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While the supplement is being worked on, I have completed the "Play Document" for the World Eaters bringing it to V2.0.

This document is only 340kb and only has the information necessary for gaming (no datafaxes and no appendices).

It is updated on Page 1 of this thread as well as here : Link to World Eaters V2.0 Play Document

You will notice that everything (including Daemons) have been placed into line with 25 point allotments.

I do not think I have missed anything out, however here are the future plans for the list as I see them at the moment:

- Review the titans within the list - see if we can 'Khornise' them a little more
- Review the Black Legion and LotD playtest changes when they are released and see if any are to be incorporated into this list
- Review the role of the Spacecraft within the army list and what changes (if required) can be put in place

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Quote: (frogbear @ Jan. 01 2010, 16:35 )

- Review the role of the Spacecraft within the army list and what changes (if required) can be put in place

So to start, I am going to use the following from BFG as inspiration:

Chariots to Slaughter
To all but the blindest and most deranged of Khorne’s followers, the need for ships to transport them across the
stars is obvious, though beyond such cold utility even the most ancient of vessels deserves little more reverance. To
Khorne’s followers, such vessels are little more than steeds, chariots even, to take them to slaughter. Where
other gods might visit their blessing equally upon their followers both man and machine, Khorne cares little for
the beasts of steel, and it is instead upon the deranged and bloodthirsty warriors that slay in his name that
Khorne’s blessing falls.

Khorne’s lust for blood eschews as cowardly and unworthy long-ranged guns of many traitor vessels. Even a perfectly
well-armed and equipped warship of Khorne may forgo all firing as its frenzied crew instead plough furiously forwards,
impatient to fall upon their enemy hand-to-hand.

With little love of magic or arcance technology, followers of Khorne are often equally loathe
to rely upon such tricks as teleportation and instead enact the will of their god with their frenzied boarding actions.
So insanely devoured by the lust for blood are some that they forsake any form of shooting entirely, and instead
populate drifing hulks, from where they can fall upon enemy fleets, or even worlds, in an unstoppable tide of
boarding actions. Khorne is not blind to the need for firepower, though he gives no favour to it, and his fleets
remainly rigidly utilitarian in this regard, willing only to utilise those weapons and those tactics which will
ultimately bring them closer to their target, closer to the slaughter.


So the project will look at a class of Spaceship to replace the Despoiler that will carry more stands. I now just have decide on the weaponry and it's eventual points cost.

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hmm reading that i think i may have to convert myself up a WE ship, although i only have the BFG starter box set thingy, so a battleship size vessle may need some work :cool:   :)  thanks for the updated list :agree:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:01 pm 
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Quote: (Apocolocyntosis @ Jan. 01 2010, 21:23 )

hmm reading that i think i may have to convert myself up a WE ship, although i only have the BFG starter box set thingy, so a battleship size vessle may need some work :cool:   :)  thanks for the updated list :agree:

That is awesome dude.  :agree:

My biggest problem at the moment is finding troop carrying capacity of these ships. It looks like I am just going to have to create a troop carrier.

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A crazy idea: What about a Chaos Space Hulk? Certainly it would have Slow and Purposeful but horrendous firepower and transport capacity.
IIRC Angron traveled in one to Armageddon.

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maybe some Firely Reaver ship type stuff?

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