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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:02 pm 
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Quote: (semajnollissor @ Dec. 18 2009, 06:42 )

My problem with most of the alternative models out there is that I actually want my Falcons to look like Falcons. If I didn't care what the models looked like, I'd just use legos.

Some things fit, sure, because one 6mm human in modern armor with a rifle pretty much looks like any other human in modern armor with a rifle. But anything beyond human infantry, it gets dicey.

It's not a universally held opinion, I realize, but it's just how I feel.

I agree to a certain extent but I do think there are some decent proxies out there which might not be 'the' style but are still in a style that is in keeping with the feel of the background.  For example, I could see someone using the Kraytonian grav tanks as an alternative to typical Eldar patterns.  They are oddly angular and at the same time sort of sleek, with clean lines.  It's not typical Eldar styling but it could work.

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Edit:  Sorry, mean the Kraytonian grav tanks, not Andrayada.




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Quote: (Ghudra @ Dec. 18 2009, 00:46 )

NO WAY!  Space 1999 vehicles?  Holy flashbacks flatman.

Yeah, tell me about it. I loved that show!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:57 pm 
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Quote: (semajnollissor @ Dec. 18 2009, 06:42 )

My problem with most of the alternative models out there is that I actually want my Falcons to look like Falcons. If I didn't care what the models looked like, I'd just use legos.

Some things fit, sure, because one 6mm human in modern armor with a rifle pretty much looks like any other human in modern armor with a rifle. But anything beyond human infantry, it gets dicey.

It's not a universally held opinion, I realize, but it's just how I feel.

I agree to a certain extent but I do think there are some decent proxies out there which might not be 'the' style but are still in a style that is in keeping with the feel of the background.  For example, I could see someone using the Kraytonian grav tanks as an alternative to typical Eldar patterns.  They are oddly angular and at the same time sort of sleek, with clean lines.  It's not typical Eldar styling but it could work.

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Edit:  Sorry, mean the Kraytonian grav tanks, not Andrayada.

In fact the fluff supports a range of vehicles with different aesthetics -- GW evidently wanted to leave open the option of different miniatures ranges for the different craftworlds... so The Krayton design aesthetic seems entirely fluff-legit, if tournament-illegal.

So too the Arcadia-(and Komsomolets) pattern armored vehicles.





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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:36 pm 
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Quote: (Steve54 @ Dec. 18 2009, 07:40 )

When we were at warhammmer world last night the shop manager approached us to ask what epic blisters would be most popular. As there is now a decent group of epic players at WHW each week he has decided, and got the green light from above, to stock a full range of epic in the store - at least 60 blisters and 15 boxes.

Before there was a handful of blisters and anything else took 3 hours from mailorder.

If SG was being axed it seems odd that he would be allowed to do this.

Good to see that they are doing this (maybe a positive sign for Epic), but to be my usual cynical self this probably a move to help get rid of stock.


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Quote: (Carrington @ Dec. 18 2009, 11:57 )

In fact the fluff supports a range of vehicles with different aesthetics -- GW evidently wanted to leave open the option of different miniatures ranges for the different craftworlds...

Well, that's one way of looking at it, but I think the more correct version is to say that GW decided to fully revamp the eldar vehicles so that they would look good in 40k. Therefore, they made new epic minis to match. In order to appease all the older epic players that had (literally) hundreds of old style falcons lying around, JJ inserted that bit into the fluff. That's what you call retconning.

A similar issue cropped up in BFG when the SG sculpters couldn't be bothered to even try to match the stylistic details of the ships that GW-proper had made (as seen with the SM escort, Ork battleships, and Craftworld cruisers). Instead, they just wrote the fluff to justify the mismatch, and it has always bothered me.

But that's all neither here nor there. In the end, we all have our own view of how things ought to be. I don't expect everyone to have the same OCD I have.


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I disagree on the craftworld spaceships, that I thought was an intentional harking back tot he spacefleet design of Eldar.

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Well, I don't think they even did a good job doing that:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:03 am 
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compared to this


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The small, repetitive detail on the older model conveys a sense of scale, whereas the SG model seems to be trying to get away with have as little detail as possible. The detailing it does have doesn't really sell the supposed size of the vessel.


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I actually want my Falcons to look like Falcons

Well my thought on that is which Falcons ?   The SM1 & 2 "wedge" or the E40K/E:A "cresent" ?  Or what about the Russ ?  The SM1 Mk.1 ?  The SM2 Mk.2 ?  The E40K Mk.3 with 5 varients ? Or the F/W Versions ?  The same can be said for most Epic models ... So IMO, its a big galaxy ... So there should be room for other [proxy] versions from other companies, that make something I may  like better.  IMO, the E/W 1/2 Track will make a good Rhino. Put a turret on it, it would be a Chimera ... And the list goes on ... :D




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Quote: (semajnollissor @ Dec. 19 2009, 07:06 )

The small, repetitive detail on the older model conveys a sense of scale, whereas the SG model seems to be trying to get away with have as little detail as possible. The detailing it does have doesn't really sell the supposed size of the vessel.

BFG models are supposed to be designed that there is no way to judge how big they are compared to other GW models.

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