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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:29 pm 
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But it clearly isn't a LV.

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 Post subject: Blight Drones
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:34 pm 
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It's also somewhat bigger than a Land Speeder I believe.


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What is its speed in Warhammer 40,000?

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 Post subject: Blight Drones
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:38 pm 
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Its Unit Type is "Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer)".

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:41 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Dec. 04 2009, 11:38 )

Its Unit Type is "Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer)".

Which puts it in the same speed bracket as a Land Speeder.

I'd probably plump for 30cm speed for it.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:00 pm 
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Dec. 04 2009, 11:24 )

So this would be tough and fast?

Hows that connected? If Nurgle is tough and slow and these are like swarms of flies common sense dictates you need to be cheap to get the swarm effect and fly like, not like Deathguard with jetpacks.

It's simply how Blight Drones are and they should be done to match W40k/their background rather than making up our own much different stats.

They might look kind of fly-like but they don't have to be like flies in every respect. They're tough and fast but demon engines are still rare, these don't necessarily need to be cheap or to swarm in large numbers like real flies sometime do.

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Hena: The saves don't come from 40k, but what is required for this game to work. So if LV4+ is needed, then it will be done.

There are a spectrum of opinions on how to approach translating units but myself and others prefer to match W40k stats and background pretty closely to represent these units properly, rather than making up our own versions on a whim that differ from how they should play.

Blight Drones are new units in epic and IMO we should start by representing them properly and them balancing them from there by points and unit sizes or further small adjustments if needed.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:08 pm 
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Quote: (frogbear @ Dec. 04 2009, 10:49 )

So are they Daemons in a robot body or mechanical creations with a set program to seek and destroy?

There is a difference. That difference could be the removal of Invulnerable save.

Which supplement are they in that talks about them being possessed?

They are mostly definitely demon engines in W40k stats and background so invulnerable save is appropriate.

They look more like demonic creatures that include the odd mechanical parts like the rotors to me, don't think they're robots in disguise or anything!


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 Post subject: Blight Drones
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:36 pm 
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Quote: (Hena @ Dec. 04 2009, 11:18 )

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Dec. 04 2009, 10:45 )

@TRC as i said in the DeathGuard thread the armour/toughness of a Blight Drones (armour 12/11/10) lies between an EldarFalcon (12/12/10) and an Imperial Chimera (12/10/10) so Armoured Vehicle with an 5+ Save is entirely justified.

And in Epic leman Russ and Land Riaders are as tough as each other. Its more important t see it within the framework of other Nurgle units and in some ways LV4+ is tougher.

Nurgle is tough and slow. So in that sense AV5+ could be more appropriate as it would protect them from AP shots.

On what are you basing the idea that blight drones shouldn't be fast? Just because they're Nurgle?

All the indications we have put them as very fast indeed, up there with land speeders.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:43 pm 
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Hena: Just to make my point absolutely clear. Epic isn't 40k rules in smaller scale.

I agree with this.
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Hena: 40k stats are used merely as pointers. They are not the absolute truth nor will I think that way.

I understand that, but that is just your own personal opinion on the matter and not set in stone as the truth or way it must be.

We all may look on matching/translating W40k in a slightly different ways, caring about particular things more or less and if someone were to plot a spectrum of opinions on it you would likely be strongly on one end and Black Legion strongly on the other.

We all have valid reasons and viewpoints and are not likely to change our more entrenched ones, nor should we, but so long as we're aware of others and are willing to make allowances and compromises in the aim of trying to suit the majority then things work well.


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Quote: (Hena @ Dec. 04 2009, 13:49 )

40k unfortunately lacks the ability to represent speeds other fast and rest. However the Nurgle list is meant to be slow and ponderous. So tacking Land Speeders there breaks the lists theme. Thus it is better to them to be slower.

Correct me if I'm wrong but 40k has several speed bands:

Fast - 20" per turn
Vehicle - 12" per turn
Infantry - 6" per turn


The blight drone has been placed in the 'fast' category, which would imply that it is at least as fast as the fastest ground vehicles (Rhinos or Chimeras), rather than slower.

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Flies are very fast moving in real life too, I should know, we had to go on a fly killing spree once when hundreds of the little buggers invaded our kitchen once after we forgot to take the bins out for a couple of week.


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