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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:12 am 
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As long as my wife does not have the baby today, then the below is scheduled for tonight:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:57 am 
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10th playtest (1st game played with the World Eaters v1.0 list) against Tau and reported below in the v01.0 playtests

This first game highlighted a few areas that need to be looked at which include:
- Bloodride Rule on Slaughterfiends
- Slaughterfiend movement
- Review cost on Blood Slaughterers

Total Playtests: 10 Games

Version 1.x series of Playtests - 1 Game
- vs Tau - as a player vs Dobbsy   World Eaters V1.0

Version 0.9.1 Playtests - 2 Games
- vs Space Marines - as an opponent vs Blish
- vs Eldar - as a player vs Russ


Version 0.9 Playtests - 3 Games

World Eaters Post Skalathrax - 3 Games
- vs Feral Orks - as a player vs Blish
- vs Orks - as a player vs Blish
- vs Space Marines - as a player vs Drew


World Eaters Heresy/Post Heresy - Held off for V0.9.1 tests


Version 0.8 Playtests - 4 games
- vs Space Marines - as an opponent vs Morgan
- vs Tau - as a player vs Morgan
- vs Eldar - as a player vs Drew
- vs Feral Orks - as a player vs Blish




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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:42 am 
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Areas of change being considered:

Slaughterfiend - Reducing the speed back to 20cm. As a general assault unit, these would be fine and worth testing further, however with the Transport ability, this appears to be quite a significant boost for an assault force. Especially when the Bloodride ability is being reduced in effectiveness as a deterrent.

- Bloodride: Currently units have to make a Dangerous Terrain test (DTT) each time the Slaughterfiend makes anything more than an Advance. This can have an effect of very little if any units being left other than Slaughterfiends by the time they get into an assault. This was not the intention of the rule when originally envisioned.
    After the game vs Tau, there was a discussion to only perform a DTT when units mount up. While mounted, they do not need to make further tests. This along with the reduction in movement for the same points appears to be a reasonable change. The only question I have now is whether the unit can start 'mounted' on the Slaughterfiend at the start of the game.

Blood Slaughterer: Currently I have each of these priced at 50 points as an upgrade. This is the same as a Chaos Dreadnought at the moment. For the role they play, and the extra abilities (infiltrator, Invulnerable Save) that they gain over a Dreadnought, I believe they are underpriced. I will trial them as an upgrade priced at 2 for 125 points and see how I go.

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"Blood Slaughterer Onslaught" and consists of 3-5 Blood Slaughterers Packs each composed of 3 Blood Slaughterers.


I have this on the 'back-burner' at the moment as I am not convinced that this will add anything to the force. It will just be another unit that really is not adding anything to the list that is not already available through existant units and upgrades. This will be reviewed after more playtests.

Brass Scorpion in the Daemon Engines to be renamed Lesser Brass Scorpion

General formatting and error checking is still required.

More reviewing of the document will continue in line with battle reports as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:49 am 
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After some general reviewing of the Blood Slaughterer, I do not see it's role aligned with the Assault Walkers upgrade due to its 15cm move.

In this regard, I am going to create another upgrade called Onslaught (to tie in with the unit Black Legion advised of) to include these as a purchase of 2 or 4 @ 125 points per two units. As I still do not see these adding anything new as a separate unit, I will continue to trial them as an upgrade.

What this does allow is for Defilers to be added to the Assault Walkers upgrade with their Slaughterfiend cousins to more appropriately assist with the support options available to the World Eaters (whether through support or upgrade). This will no doubt give more breadth to the legion's tactics rather than look at developing an armoured core unit which I do not believe is appropriate (they have the Daemon engines for that).

The Blood Ride and Slaughterfiend adjustments will also be made.

With the changes to the army structure rather than just cosmetics, I will be taking this list to V1.1 shortly to consolidate all these.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:51 am 
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Quote: (Apocolocyntosis @ Sep. 23 2009, 01:07 )

Downloaded the new list to check the bloodgor unit size and they seem to be missing in v1.0?

Apoc.

Good news is that I am considering their inclusion possibly into the V1.2/V1.3 list in the near future. I just have to make sure I do not over-commit choices to the established army as it stands.

Just be aware that I have not forgotten about my beastmen brethren   :;):




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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:53 am 
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Rememeber that the Slaughterfind is just a Defiler with 2 CC-arms and a Khorne Berzerker riding it. A Defiler has a 20cmmove as proposed for the BlackLegion.
But you could say that the weight of a couple of Berzerkers holding on it might slow it down to 15cm  :cool:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:57 am 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 29 2009, 09:53 )

Rememeber that the Slaughterfind is just a Defiler with 2 CC-arms and a Khorne Berzerker riding it. A Defiler has a 20cmmove as proposed for the BlackLegion.

Yes.

I had them at 25cm move as they are supposed to be faster than a defiler. This is in the fluff. However with the Transport option, that 25cm was a little too much IMO.

Also I believe units riding a vehicle not designed to transport would slow them down. hence I went for the straight 20cm move as Epic is not 40K and we do not need all these special rules.

Let me know what you think of the Transport rule when I release V1.1   :agree:


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1. Why is the Slaughterfiend being considered for BlackLegion? This is a Khorne Defiler. Is that not muddying the waters of a non-god specific list?
2. Will the BlackLegion addition take into account my playtests of the Slaughterfiend?





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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:28 am 
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Quote: (frogbear @ Sep. 29 2009, 00:57 )

1. Why is the Slaughterfiend being considered for BlackLegion? This is a Khorne Defiler. Is that not muddying the waters of a non-god specific list?

I don't believe the Slaughterfiend is being considered for the Black Legion list at all.  

BlackLegion (the user) was, I believe, talking about proposed Defiler changes in the "Black Legion" army list.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:36 am 
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Chroma is correct.
For the Defiler 20cm Infiltrator is proposed for the BlackLegion playtest changes.
And as the Defiler and the Slaughterfiend are essentially the same thing only that the Slaughterfinds exchanges two shooting weapons for two CC-arms and the ability to transport Berzerkers (and Fleet 2D6" than only 1D6" in Wh40k) they are identical.

Here the link to the Black Legion playtes changes thread:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... 82;t=13462

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 29 2009, 10:36 )

Here the link to the Black Legion playtes changes thread:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... 82;t=13462

Well I better get over there and see what is happening in the neighboring province then.   :)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:10 am 
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Front page updated with V1.1.

I have included it here for ease of access: World Eaters V1.1 - Last Updated 29/09/09

Current changes listed as follows:

V1.1
- Renamed Brass Scorpion to Lesser Brass Scorpion
- Reduced Slaughterfiend to 20cm
- Changed the Slaughterfiend Bloodride rule
- Removed Blood Slaughterer from Assault Walkers upgrade
- Added Defiler to Assault Walkers upgrade
- Created Onslaught upgrade
- Added Blood Slaughterer to Onslaught upgrade
- Added Onslaught to Chosen and Daemonic Engines Upgrades Allowed list.
- Increased Rhino CC to 5+

My next review is to look at, and cause further discussion on the Dreadclaws.




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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:49 am 
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Looking good  :agree:

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 29 2009, 19:49 )

Looking good

Thanks dude. Appreciate the feedback   :;):

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