I've put together a rough translation of the latest French rules linked in the other thread. V2.1.1. from the link posted by Atchoum.

I don't speak or read French so it's based on the previous translation and some online translators. There are likely to be errors both from my translation and from the original document (I know Winged Warriors are missing from the profiles but are in the army list).

Anyway it's a start.

Thanks for posting this arkturas!

Does anyone know how much playtesting has this list seen?

Looks like a lot of "all fearless" (possibly all war engines!) lists could be made.

10 Hierodules
2 Harridans
1 Hierophant
1 Razorfiend (dropping three Hierodules!)
1 Spore Chimney

That's 3000 points on the nose and the enemy *can't* score Break Their Spirit!  The army can't actually claim objectives, but it sure can contest them!

Or a "Stealer Bomb" list

Five formations of 6 Genestealers and a Razorfiend for 900 points, plus 2100 points of whatever else you like... say, fourteen garrisonable Guant Swarms containing two Warriors and eight Guants each... that's *twenty* formations.

On first blush, the list looks horribly open to abuse.

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In the F-ERC list BTS is scored by killing the supreme commander unit: either a Dominatrix or an "Alpha" Hive Tyrant.

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is says s.com must be taken

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With nothing to enforce that in the armylist... you can select formations that can't/don't have a Hive Tyrant and make your army completely out of such formations.

If there was a "The army must contain at least one Hive Tyrant" rule/restriction, that would be different, but the, translation at least, doesn't enforce that; it doesn't seem to consider the fact that armies with neither Hive Tyrants nor a Dominatrix are quite easily made with this list.

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Hi,
First sorry for the lack of english translation, but as every one we're quite busy with RL, and the F-ERC is composed of a few people.

The list had been roughtly tested by different member, and during an EPIC championship. It appears that if the list seems very "uber", it is in fact quite sensitive and the surviving fearless units are not realy able to make the difference once the non-synapse units have died.

Other point, is that this army list is still on work. We've tried to made a "common vision" army list, but it is still young. For example, we don't think that the mycetic assault is really balenced, but here is a version to test and to discuss during the comming year, until the next review. As they are much more Epic player on TC, we've post the list in case if some of you would be interested in, and increase feed back ratio for next review, but we don't want it to go against the TC list, it's just an other view of the tyranids.

PS: It is mention in the list that the army must have a SC, and that if the dominatrix is not present, a tyranid prince is freely promoted Alpha.

On the supreme commander issue. The previous translation from Hojyn has a kill S. Commander swarm and/or swarm with most synapse creatures for BTS. The swarm with most synapse creatures part has been removed.

However there is no explicit indication or limitation in the Army List (previous or this) that a Dom or Tyrant is compulsory. In fact it's possible to make a list without synapse entirely.

Yes there is a huge amount of Fearless creatures in there, all WE, Synapse and Carnifexes (only the Zoanthrope has gained it over the last English translation though).

I think it's a lot more open than the 9.2.1 list in that it can do almost all of the variant lists such as Mycetic Spore drop and Armoured Assault Spawn plus gets close to a Bio-Titan list too.

My feeling is that it's too open.

But the army will not be regular then. But ok, it is somthing that could be more explicit. Noted.


Yes, it is made for. To be honest it is a generic army list (it could be compared with the SM list of the LRB). But as you know, because of the army point limit, if you put everything, you won't be really effective in any field. You have to chose (and certainly abuse on) 2 or 3 ways of attack (or eating).

This is mentioned in the text, but what happens in an army that contains no Hive Tyrants?  

An army could be created using this list that only contains formations that don't have access to the Hive Tyrant upgrade.

Answered as I was posting!  *laugh*

Thanks for your responses, Atchoum!

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it look like a good list to me.

but it needs a must take s.com in the gaunt swarm i.e replace worriers with tyrant or take the dom for (bts) this is the best rule i've seen for nid bts as synapse is a a stange way for bts in tournys and could easly be abused

remove re-gen from the list and use the increase DC from the tacomms list.

and remove a few fearless.

and i think you have a list of real value.

at the end of this month when i have finnished painting my nids i'll start play testing the two lists

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I've gone through the list and made a list of differences between this list and the 9.2.1 list. (Unit stats and points, not special rules).

I think the much higher cost of Hierodules lessens the possibility of serious abuse (125pts upto a minimum of ~180pts in a brood of 3).

I like the biovore and carnifex options for gaunt broods (and at quite a discount over the 9.2.1 biovore costs).

(Have we been able to post pdf files in the past using the file attachment option on posting, doesn't like it now so doc files instead)

has anybody on the forum tried this list?

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