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E&C's ruminations on the AMTL
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 25 Aug. 2009, 15:32 )

"Reaver Titans are so venerated as ancient icons of the Machine God, that the loss of any Reaver Titan grants the enemy the 'Break Their Spirit' goal"

That's not a bad idea. From a fluff perspective it might be worth extending that to the even rarer Emperor titans as well (although I realise that in practice the only way an Emperor could not be BTS is if you took more than one). Would the most expensive formation be a BTS target as well, or only Reavers? I'd be inclined towards the latter (unless there are no Reavers, obviously).




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I have a game this weekend vs codex marines I'll test the BTS and warhound packs only changes and see how it plays out.

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 25 Aug. 2009, 10:32 )

Preferably an idea that makes Warlords attractive (beyond the 1 blitz guard)


"Reaver Titans are so venerated as ancient icons of the Machine God, that the loss of any Reaver Titan grants the enemy the 'Break Their Spirit' goal"

Does current fluff say that Reavers are rare?

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I believe so. :)

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No. Fluff says that the design of the Reaver predates the Warlord and that Warlords are by far the most common Battle Titan.

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Quote: (Vaaish @ 25 Aug. 2009, 14:17 )

What about a special rule that says "Because Titans are such precious resources and the loss of even one is a heavy blow to morale, if a titan formation is broken it must use all withdrawal moves to fall back towards its initial deployment zone unless doing so would move the formation off the board."

This is very interesting. Then again I think I normally do do this as Reavers are somewhat surprisingly fragile against certain armies, so its not an across the board boost.

Course it would mean as you are massively out activated an army like eldar could break half your force on bm's and you would be somewhat scuppered. Still, its intriguing.

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Quote: (studderingdave @ 25 Aug. 2009, 17:52 )

"Reaver Titans are so venerated as ancient icons of the Machine God, that the loss of any Reaver Titan grants the enemy the 'Break Their Spirit' goal"

plus

no single warhounds.

combine these into a step forward in my book!

The problem with the Reaver thing is against a marine or guard army their first activation (vultures/deathstrikes or Terminators, the latter being at least somewhat evadable) will give them BTS. Well okay with marines probably on turn 2 as sensible people teleport then :)
Getting 6 points of damage on one isn't that hard. Indeed with no thick rear armour they would at least stop charging forward all the time :)

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 25 Aug. 2009, 13:33 )

No. Fluff says that the design of the Reaver predates the Warlord and that Warlords are by far the most common Battle Titan.

So, Reavers are rare?

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Not rare but rarer than Warlords. For every 3 Warlords you would find 2 Reavers or so.

And to quote myselfe from this thread http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....+hands:
The Black Library novel "Iron Hands" mentions the number and types of Titans in a Titan Legion.

Here the featured Legion consists of 81 Titans:

1 Imperator
40 Warlords
24 Reavers
16 Warhounds

This Legion was newly build and didn't suffer any battlefield casualties.





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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 25 Aug. 2009, 14:14 )

Not rare but rarer than Warlords. For every 3 Warlords you would find 2 Reavers or so.

And to quote myselfe from this thread http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....+hands:
The Black Library novel "Iron Hands" mentions the number and types of Titans in a Titan Legion.

Here the featured Legion consists of 81 Titans:

1 Imperator
40 Warlords
24 Reavers
16 Warhounds

This Legion was newly build and didn't suffer any battlefield casualties.

That doesn't really answer my question, but thanks anyway. There's a big difference between "rare" and "not as numerous".

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not deviating from the fluff very far, i think for the sake of balancing this list, in a game of abstractions, we can say that reavers are rare to the point of offering up a rule that makes them a little less of a no brainer to take multiples of.

reavers "uber rare" might not be strictly accurate, but using their rarity in conjunction with warlords might warrant a special rule dealing with BTS.
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Well, if you want more Warlords, which seems to be the desire here, and since this it a *Titan Legion* marching to war, why not make the Warlord a 1+ formation?

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This is very interesting. Then again I think I normally do do this as Reavers are somewhat surprisingly fragile against certain armies, so its not an across the board boost.

Course it would mean as you are massively out activated an army like eldar could break half your force on bm's and you would be somewhat scuppered. Still, its intriguing.


I was thinking of it as primarily affecting warhounds. Being forced to withdraw 60cm if broken can put them off the objectives same for a reaver withdrawing 40cm. It would make it more difficult for AMTL to hold objectives without support.

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Quote: (Chroma @ 25 Aug. 2009, 14:41 )

Well, if you want more Warlords, which seems to be the desire here, and since this it a *Titan Legion* marching to war, why not make the Warlord a 1+ formation?

Meaning you have to take at least one Warlord?

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Quote: (Dwarf Supreme @ 25 Aug. 2009, 19:46 )

Quote: (Chroma @ 25 Aug. 2009, 14:41 )

Well, if you want more Warlords, which seems to be the desire here, and since this it a *Titan Legion* marching to war, why not make the Warlord a 1+ formation?

Meaning you have to take at least one Warlord?

Well, is the desire simply "less Reavers" or is it also desired that there be "more Warlords" in the army?

If the latter, simply making at least one Warlord mandatory solves both "problems".  If just the former, well, then ignore the suggestion.

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