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E&C's ruminations on the AMTL

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:34 pm 
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What if each Titan Formation is only allowed to claim/contest one objective at a time?

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Well isn't the AMTL supposed to be an assault force? How about that they can't achieve TSNP and DTF?

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 20 Aug. 2009, 13:59 )

Well isn't the AMTL supposed to be an assault force? How about that they can't achieve TSNP and DTF?

I'm not crazy about that idea. It would make it very hard for AMTL to win by objectives. Also, I know I've read some fiction where Titans fought defensively.

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 20 Aug. 2009, 13:34 )

What if each Titan Formation is only allowed to claim/contest one objective at a time?

That's a possibility.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:19 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 20 Aug. 2009, 13:59 )

Well isn't the AMTL supposed to be an assault force? How about that they can't achieve TSNP and DTF?

I'm not crazy about that idea. It would make it very hard for AMTL to win by objectives. Also, I know I've read some fiction where Titans fought defensively.

I only know of the Siege of Terra  :)

Oh and the only battle i know of where ONLY a Titan Legion fought without support of any kind from other forces was the Legio Metallica at the 2nd War of Armageddon. And they lost big time because of the lack of support.

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Quote: (Dwarf Supreme @ 20 Aug. 2009, 20:08 )

Quote: (BlackLegion @ 20 Aug. 2009, 13:59 )

Well isn't the AMTL supposed to be an assault force? How about that they can't achieve TSNP and DTF?

I'm not crazy about that idea. It would make it very hard for AMTL to win by objectives. Also, I know I've read some fiction where Titans fought defensively.

I only know of the Siege of Terra  :)

I know I read it somewhere, but I don't remember where. It's been so long.  :))

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:23 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 20 Aug. 2009, 18:34 )

What if each Titan Formation is only allowed to claim/contest one objective at a time?

Personally I think Epic would be better off if this was the case for all formations. It'd remove the gamey stretching out between objectives part of the game.

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 20 Aug. 2009, 18:34 )

What if each Titan Formation is only allowed to claim/contest one objective at a time?

When I read this I went back and looked at the batreps between TRC and I.  As it did seem like it could have something.

However, in each case it would not have made any difference.  I had a titan at every objective bar TRC's blitz at the end of the first game, and TRC's titans had a Reaver, a Warhound Pack and a single Warhound contesting his T&H objectives in the second.

I'm not convinced that special rules tweaking the victory conditions are necessary yet.

I think it's worthwhile adjusting some points values and weapons selection system (whatever way is deemed best or most appropriate) such that the "bargain basement battle titan" isn't so viable.

There is probably a touch of "new army syndrome", with a slightly less powerful rendition of the TL (from the points increases, and perhaps some limitation on warhounds/single warhounds) and some changes in tactics it might not be so far off.





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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 20 Aug. 2009, 13:59 )

Well isn't the AMTL supposed to be an assault force? How about that they can't achieve TSNP and DTF?

I'm not crazy about that idea. It would make it very hard for AMTL to win by objectives. Also, I know I've read some fiction where Titans fought defensively.

I only know of the Siege of Terra  :)

The first half of mechanicus the imperial titan legios fought a defensive battle and in the second half the traitor legios were on the defensive.

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 20 Aug. 2009, 19:19 )

Oh and the only battle i know of where ONLY a Titan Legion fought without support of any kind from other forces was the Legio Metallica at the 2nd War of Armageddon. And they lost big time because of the lack of support.

Wait a second. BlackLegion has a good point. What Legio is going to go out to exterminate some orks by themselves when a sneaky Grot with a bomb can blow up a battle titan's plasma reactor? Titans should NEVER go to a fight without some kind of infantry support.


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Quote: (Notanoob @ 20 Aug. 2009, 17:24 )

Wait a second. BlackLegion has a good point. What Legio is going to go out to exterminate some orks by themselves when a sneaky Grot with a bomb can blow up a battle titan's plasma reactor? Titans should NEVER go to a fight without some kind of infantry support.

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A Grit taking out a Titan IS awesome  :laugh:

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If you limit warhounds to a maximum of 1 per Battle Titan you can get the following army compositions assuming minimum titan cost as per 3.15 at 3000pts.

(Emperor/Warlord/Reaver/Warhound Packs/Single Warhound - Remaining points)

2/0/0/1/0 - 0pts left
1/2/0/0/1 - 25pts left
1/1/1/0/1 - 175pts left
1/0/3/0/0 - 25pts left
1/0/2/0/2 - 50pts left
0/4/0/0/0 - 100pts left
0/3/1/0/0 - 250pts left
0/3/0/0/3 - 0pts left
0/2/2/0/1 - 125pts left
0/2/1/0/3 - 150pts left
0/1/3/0/2 - 0pts left
0/1/2/0/3 - 300pts left
0/0/5/0/0 - 125pts left
0/0/4/0/2 - 150pts left
0/0/3/0/3 - 450pts left

At most you're looking at 6 titan activations. I think the ones to watch are 3 (single) warhounds with 3 Battle titans as they give some points over for weapon upgrades and additional non-titan formations. This would also be the combination that can't be touched via hull cost increases as other combinations (4 battle/2 warhound etc) would always be removed first.


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